Posted on Apr 10, 2017
MSG Danny Stanley
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I was talking a to a friend from a previous unit and he told me the current XO has stated on multiple occasions that he hates enlisted personnel and thinks we're all lazy. I'd like to remind the Major that it would be difficult to accomplish anything without all the minions at his disposal. It's hard enough to correct disrespect from subordinates. How does anyone deal with disrespect from above?
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Ohh, a challenge,,,, I loved a challenge.......
lets play a game of who needs what demographic more to accomplish their mission. ..
Enlisted need ONE XO more.
XO needs several hundred enlisted more.
After the XO gets his second reprimand and ass chewing for failing a mission, or task..
Offer a truce and mutual agreement to despise each other in private but work like brothers from another mother together in public to get the Old Mans priorities accomplished.
If that fails, ask him to send post cards from his ROTC or basic training command,,,as that is the BEST he will ever be offered once Im done with him...

I never had to like the senior person I was working with or for, but you better damn hope I respect you, and believe your doing the BEST you can, never undermining the men, the unit or the mission.
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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I can't say I believe in sabotaging the guy.
I do believe that crap like this has a way of coming around like a boomerang, though.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGM Erik Marquez
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1SG (Join to see) - Thats the beaut in my method, no sabotage needed. But you don't have to support his craziness either.
You and your enlisted men (persons) do their JOB, period, never comprise your own self worth or ethics..
The nonsense will reveal itself without the enlisted side of the house jumping through hoops to cover it up (accomplish the mission in spite of his nonsense)

After his OWN actions reveal them selfs, offer him a solution that benefits him, the enlisted, and the unit.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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When I was a butter bar I had a TSgt in my unit that was being abused by a LtCol in a different squadron over a conflict that happened on a test range involving range safety. In my view the TSgt. was in the right, but that didn't help the situation.

I found out later that the situation was resolved by a phone call by the TSgt. to a friend of his in assignments in Denver, and the LtCol.'s name found its way to the top of the list for remote assignments to Greenland.

Respect is a two-way street and so is power, I learned.
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MSG James Hughs
MSG James Hughs
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My brother was an AF finance clerk....the Sgt in charge of the billets was always on his ass.....suddenly the Sgt finance records ended up in Thule Greenland....took him six months to get his pay straightened out.... not my style but it worked
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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MSG James Hughs, what goes around comes around.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
Sgt Dale Briggs
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Now that’s funny, Greenland would seriously suck, and the best part I’d venture is that anyone looking at his jacket would say... hmmmm, Greenland, tell me about that. Lol. Maybe a code word for a fuck up.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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Sounds like a situation I had with a Zipper-suited Sun God (Fighter Pilot) while I was stationed at Lakenheath AB. Said Zipper Head (a Captain/O-3) made the comment in public that the AF would be better off getting rid of enlisted people so they would have more money for "important" things like airframes and pilot bonuses.

Me: So, you put fuel in that aircraft before you fly?
ZSSG: No, the fuels guy, a Senior Airman I think, does.
Me: Ok, so an enlisted guy/gal. Alright, do you do the maintenance on the aircraft?
ZSSG: No, the MX shop does.
Me: Let me guess.... more enlisted?
ZSSG: Yea....
Me: ...Just what I thought. How about weapons? Do you load the bombs, chaff, missiles, etc on the aircraft before a mission?
ZSSG (now visibly embarrassed in front of his buddies): *stammering* Well, no..., ummm.. er,...
Me (going for the jugular now): How about mission planning? Flight routes? Weather? No fly areas? Do you do ANY of that?
ZSSG: no.....
Me: All enlisted crew, right?
ZSSG (hanging head in shame): yes.....
Me: Seems to me, 'sir', we should get rid of the OFFICERS and make room for more people who actually WORK and make it possible for the mission to be completed!

The O-6 behind us nearly choked on his coffee he was laughing so hard.....
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Cpl Tim Howerton
Cpl Tim Howerton
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Perhaps it would be a good idea before becoming an Officer to spend two years in the Enlisted ranks to gain a better picture of what goes into everything.
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MSgt Owner
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Cpl Tim Howerton - My experience, sorry if it offends anyone; collect yourself in a mirror if need be. Prior enlisted officers who regularly let it be known they were prior enlisted, were the 10xs worse than an academy kid on an ego trip.
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MSG James Hughs
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MSgt (Join to see) - I am not offended ( nine years enlisted before earning my commission)..... and I am sorry you were unfortunate enough to have only had bad encounters with "Mustangs"..... Fortunately I was more lucky. I found Mustangs were VERY good, in general, at leading troops but sucked at staff work or politics in general. The worst were "ring knockers", with a few exceptions, most acted as if they were "entitled" with little or no empathy or understanding of the troops but excellent in strategic planning and office politics. There were always exceptions. I found it interesting that the Command & Staff College once did a study where they compared history's best military leaders characteristics to the standards expected / required by modern OER guidelines and found that our finest performers....our most heroic historical leaders.... would not get favorable ratings. The very characteristics that probably made them great leaders....we have a tendency to punish. Another flaw in our officer system is that we expect our officers to be "well rounded".... have gotten their "ticket punched" in all the skills thought to be important a selected career field. It does not allow for career specialist. For example the late Special Forces officer, LTC "Silver Fox" Cincotti was one of the finest troop commanders I ever met. The troops would have eagerly followed him on that proverbial trip to HELL and enjoyed the trip. But sadly "the Fox" sucked at being a staff officer and handling office intrigue. I could name several more outstanding officers who were destroyed because they were not playing the game. Major White would not endanger the troops and alter his findings in a safety report and ended his career as an engineering officer on a remote island in the pacific. His boss owned stock in the company that would be hurt if the safety report went forward. I lost my commission because I would not tolerate dishonesty from ANYONE including my boss. I never made it to field grade so I have no first hand knowledge but does anyone know of a general that was promoted without a political mentor?....promoted on ability alone?
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