Posted on May 11, 2021
LCpl Benji Smith
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Is it unfair to hold women to the same standards as men? Are they the weaker sex and have no place in combat? According to this article women can not keep up with their male counterparts. They fail the new Army CFT at a 44% rate were only 7% of men do. Is it time to reverse the females in combat MOS's now that there is proof they can't handle the job when required to pass the same CFT? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/almost-half-of-the-army-s-female-soldiers-are-still-failing-the-new-combat-fitness-test/ar-BB1gCiD3?ocid=msedgntp
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Don't read too far into that headline. The fact is that this new fitness test doesn't mean anything right now. Soldiers aren't required to pass it. There's no negative impact for failing it. There's no positive gain to passing it. Soldiers don't get any promotion points from it, and we can't use the scores on our evaluations. Plus with COVID, nobody has really been training for this thing. Sure, units say they've been training, but up until recently most gyms were closed or restricted and you could only train in small groups. So you've got COVID limiting access to already limited equipment with people who have no incentive the train for a test that doesn't matter or to perform well on it.

As an example, the most failed portion is the run. The passing score for the run is 21 minutes, that's even easier than the score females had to score on the APFT to pass. So they're capable, they just aren't doing it. Once an ACFT counts toward promotion and once you can separate people who fail it, you'll see pass percentages go way up.
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SSG Brian G.
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LCpl Benji Smith - lol No, that is human nature. It has zip and squat to do with being Army or Marines or Air Force, Navy or Coast Guard. VERY FEW people will do something that is both tedious and boring, not to mention rather pointless if there is not a solid reason to do so that motivates them.

And no Marines do not give 110% every time when there is nothing on the line. So lets just cut that line of BS free from things now.

You don't have to buy it, it is simple fact shown in studies. And? So the males passed it. That really does not prove anything. I had young bucks up under me that could darn near be asleep and pass a PT test. If they were trying? Easily score 300. People go about it and do it because they are told they will do the event. They are also told that the event does not count so it does not matter if they pass or fail and that no matter the outcome it will not be held against them or used for them in any regard or reflect on their command.
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LCpl Benji Smith - Really? You "guarantee" the results will be the same IF it's ever fully implemented? How? How do you guarantee that when it's already changed 3 times? How do you guarantee that if the standards do change further? You can't "guarantee" anything and it is in no way a test of females in combat arms. At all.

I can tell you what's up with the discrepancy between enlisted and officer. Officers can afford to hire a personal trainer, get their own equipment or have the time to go to the gym on their own. That's how that one MAJ maxed it - he hired a personal trainer and had the ability to work out at home. Most enlisted don't have and can't afford those opportunities.

I would bet there's Marines who don't give 110% all the time but go ahead and keep thinking that Marines are the epitome of the military. That's typical Marine thought.

Also - they don't have all the test results in. Everyone hasn't taken even one ACFT yet. So those results aren't even really complete. Again it's still in testing phase. I bet if the Marines tested a new PFT you'd get the same shit.

If you're not going to listen to anyone in the Army about it then there's really no point in continuing. Your mind is already set on women in combat.
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LCpl Benji Smith
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The words of a POG ring hollow.
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"I DoN'T lIsTeN to PoGs!" Smh.
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Sounds more like you are searching for a reason to justify your already made up mind, as opposed to going with the actual data.
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I promise, you couldn’t handle me for a second princess ;)
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Oh, and nice block... coward....
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LCpl Benji Smith - What tests "prove" females don't belong in combat? The ACFT isn't even reflective of anything in combat. At all.
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LCpl Benji Smith - *since, *backed, *facts, *yours...I can't even correct everything wrong. I guess writing isn't held to a high standard by Marines huh?

I like how you resort to attempted insults when someone shows you that you are wrong. Women are not "too weak" to stand on our own. Not at all. You sound pretty weak, misogynistic with a tinge of toxic masculinity thrown in.
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How is that "proof" they can't handle combat MOSs? Males are failing too - and the most failed event by BOTH is the 2 mile run. The 2 mile run is 21 min minimum. I noticed you didn't mention anything about those males who are failing the ACFT especially when now there's no longer a MOS minimum standard. It's just across the board minimum. Plus they don't have all the results in because not everyone has taken it. That's why the SMA has repeatedly posted on Twitter to get the results in DTMS.

The ACFT isn't "proof" of anything combat related whatsoever. We've already been in combat for the last 20 years. Women have already proved we can handle combat multiple times in the last 20 years.
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LCpl Benji Smith
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Females have been proving a few other things in the last 20yrs too.
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LCpl Benji Smith - Oh yeah? What are these "few other things" in the last 20 years? Enlighten us oh "wise" one with your unlimited wisdom. I'm sure you were rolling on the floor laughing your ass off. That seems like something weird that would make you do that. You've got serious issues there guy.
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CPT Karen Nichols McAbee
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LCpl Benji Smith - do tell - what "other things" have the females in the military been proving in the last 20 years?
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CPT Karen Nichols McAbee - He won't answer. He'll probably just block you so you can't tag him in replies or reply directly to him. That's what he did to me.
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