Environment
Environment
Posted on Nov 16, 2017
Trump administration to lift ban on importing elephant trophies
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Really? What the heck. Trump you are such a POS.
Trump administration to lift ban on importing elephant trophies
Posted from nydailynews.com
Office of the President (POTUS)
Donald Trump
Environment
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 17
SPC Kevin Ford Did you even read the article????
"The Trump administration announced it will allow the trophies of legally hunted elephants from Zimbabwe and Zambia to be imported to the U.S., reversing an Obama-era ban.
The new regulation allows officials in Zimbabwe and Zambia to issue permits to import elephant heads if there is evidence that hunting benefits the animal’s conservation, ABC reported.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service issued a statement acknowledging the money that goes toward the trophy permits could help the animals by “putting much-needed revenue back into conservation.”
Did you notice these are permitted LEGAL hunts sanctioned by the host nations and that even the US Fish and Game service stated the money from these LEGAL hunts benefits the conservation of the elephants.
Please tell us in YOUR expert opinion why this is a bad decision.
Please tell us how you know better then the host nations experts and the experts of the US fish and wildlife service.
Please try and do either of the above with facts, cites from peer reviewed experts, and those that have actual knowledge of the issue, not feelings and fauxrage.
"The Trump administration announced it will allow the trophies of legally hunted elephants from Zimbabwe and Zambia to be imported to the U.S., reversing an Obama-era ban.
The new regulation allows officials in Zimbabwe and Zambia to issue permits to import elephant heads if there is evidence that hunting benefits the animal’s conservation, ABC reported.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service issued a statement acknowledging the money that goes toward the trophy permits could help the animals by “putting much-needed revenue back into conservation.”
Did you notice these are permitted LEGAL hunts sanctioned by the host nations and that even the US Fish and Game service stated the money from these LEGAL hunts benefits the conservation of the elephants.
Please tell us in YOUR expert opinion why this is a bad decision.
Please tell us how you know better then the host nations experts and the experts of the US fish and wildlife service.
Please try and do either of the above with facts, cites from peer reviewed experts, and those that have actual knowledge of the issue, not feelings and fauxrage.
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MAJ James Woods
LTC (Join to see) - "Overpopulation of the species given the space and forage available" is the so-called threat to the native people when local leaders insist an animal population is out of control. And yes we have similar issues with wildlife in the U.S. but it's not overpopulation, it's humanity taking over/infringing on their environment forcing deer, bears, snakes, gators, coyotes, etc. encroachment of nearby human communities. That goes back to my premise of balance between man and nature.
And you're not going to tell me to present facts when I haven't seen jack from you; you're just the same level of speculation in argument I'm using based on personal readings and knowledge. So yeah if the two countries are doing just fine managing wildlife population on their own then Americans should be satisfied with Obama's policy of 2014 that Americans can hunt where it's legal but will limit themselves to two trophies a year that they can bring home.
But culling the herd for sport (big game hunting) versus culling the herd out of environmental and cultural necessity are two different things.
Move along.
And you're not going to tell me to present facts when I haven't seen jack from you; you're just the same level of speculation in argument I'm using based on personal readings and knowledge. So yeah if the two countries are doing just fine managing wildlife population on their own then Americans should be satisfied with Obama's policy of 2014 that Americans can hunt where it's legal but will limit themselves to two trophies a year that they can bring home.
But culling the herd for sport (big game hunting) versus culling the herd out of environmental and cultural necessity are two different things.
Move along.
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MAJ James Woods
SGM Erik Marquez - You just made my argument. Wildlife is indeed being displaced because of human development and human population growth. As a result, we respond to displacement of wildlife as population control. There's a reason why many cities like my hometown have regulated forest preserves within city limit or on the outskirts. It's to ensure some balance with neighboring wildlife is maintained even with growth of the city. Guess I'm a little more spun up on the facts and understand the necessity of balance or face the negative impacts.
So as I stated before, you leave it alone....you leave an environment alone and focus on the human environment while minimally impacting a wildlife environment. Nature balances itself; it always has and it never needed human help. But thanks for clarifying your argument that the wildlife population must be controlled in order to enable humanity's need to take over their environment.
So as I stated before, you leave it alone....you leave an environment alone and focus on the human environment while minimally impacting a wildlife environment. Nature balances itself; it always has and it never needed human help. But thanks for clarifying your argument that the wildlife population must be controlled in order to enable humanity's need to take over their environment.
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SSgt Gary Andrews
So we must kill the elephants in order to save the elephants? Did anyone ask the elephants what they think of this plan?
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SFC Thomas Butler
SGM Erik Marquez - Do you really believe that the governments of Zimbabwe and Zambia are going to put profits towards conservation? Come on man, they're going to pocket that money, plain and simple. According to the World Wildlife Foundation, the number 1 threat to the African elephant population is the demand for ivory.
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SGM Erik Marquez
I don't like him for all he does or says, Id be the first to say, close your Twitter account, stop with words and lets see action. I don't like all of his policy positions.. So there is plenty to fault on and call out/....
But damn, to just make up this fauxrage crap is not helping anyone.
But damn, to just make up this fauxrage crap is not helping anyone.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Obama was considered a great orator, but screwed up the country domestically and globally. Although, the dumb tweets hurt him, I ignore them. All the good things he has accomplished over ride them. IMO
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What do you do with 5 to 14 thousand lbs of dead elephant? What you take the head and mount it on your wall? Or do you just cut the tail off and mount it and let the rest rot. Make tables out of the legs. They cannot import the ivory so they have to cut that off and burn it. Population control for an endagered speices is an oxymoron..
Trophy hunting change for son Donny Jr, so he can bring the tail back into America.
I have no problem with hunting and keeping the meat. But slaughtering and animal so you can say look what I did and supporting the corupt governments is beyond morality.
Trophy hunting change for son Donny Jr, so he can bring the tail back into America.
I have no problem with hunting and keeping the meat. But slaughtering and animal so you can say look what I did and supporting the corupt governments is beyond morality.
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MAJ James Woods
Excellent reference of the American buffalo. Thousands slaughtered for the fur while the meat rotted away on the plains. Also good point you made, the African population can kill their own elephants for the meat like true hunter/gather culture. Big game hunting and profits made has nothing to do with what the native people need.
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PO1 Don Gulizia
MAJ James Woods MSgt Michael Bischoff - It's not like the American buffalo. Read the article that I submitted in a different post (on this same thread). Without trophy hunting, most of the conservation efforts in Africa would fold. I'm not a hunter and have no clue why someone would want to kill an elephant. But, I know how to analyze data and the data shows something other than your rhetoric.
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MAJ James Woods
PO1 Don Gulizia - It's very much like the buffalo. If conservation and population control was indeed an issue, the locals could develop their own means for rectifying by hunting themselves, establish limits, and ensure the meat, hide, and ivory is used in a manner that benefits the local population, not foreigners. Big game hunting for gun toting tourists is a sport of entertainment. Easier to hunt an elephant as opposed to an actual predatory animal then live to brag about it.
If only the hunting of the buffalo during the 1800s was much like hunter deer today; you kill one and recycle the meat, fur, etc. to benefit others.
Again, irony. We're conserving the population by killing as many as we can. Huh?
If only the hunting of the buffalo during the 1800s was much like hunter deer today; you kill one and recycle the meat, fur, etc. to benefit others.
Again, irony. We're conserving the population by killing as many as we can. Huh?
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
You just contradicted yourself through your analogy when you said "if only...". In other words, it wasn't the same thing. When this country hunted buffalo in the 1800s, there wasn't a call or movement for conservation practices. It was mostly about the meat and other resources provided by the animal. Elephants still present a need for conservation efforts to ensure they do not overpopulate an ecosystem. Hunters provide the means to take care of that. It isn't a license to kill them all, nor are the countries of Zimbabwe and Zambia allowing them to do so. Like deer in the US in specific locations, there is a limit. If that limit is not sufficient, they adjust it accordingly to ensure conservation practices are maintained and the species is not killed off.
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