Posted on Jul 17, 2020
CPT Anthony Asquith
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State and local health departments are coercing local and national business organizations to force consumers to take draconian precautions that are likely deemed unreasonable to reasonable consumers in society. Walmart, under duress from lobbying bullies, is constructing an artificial price floor to obstruct consumers from purchasing goods and services in stores. The Walmart price floor is likely to symbiotically morph into the price floor that has already been created from the hysteria generated by COVID in the market economy. The construction of these price floors through the coercive policies implemented into business organizations and the free market are likely to prevent potential consumers from purchasing goods and services and sustenance needed to live and thrive in American society. Walmart will lose at least one customer starting July 20, 2020.

The next question that needs asking is why are state and local health departments forcing the medical industry upon the American public? Government force onto American freedom is antithetical to American values. These misleadingly innocuous disruptions and coercive policies are eroding American freedom. Moreover, state and local health departments are using the coercive mechanisms of the government to collect observations on the medical health of the public while stripping way American freedom. Bureaucrats use the observations for hypothesis testing and the creation of legislation that permanently takes away a citizen's right to hold differing opinions and values. State and local health departments are slowly usurping an individual's autonomy of choice.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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Quarantines are legal and have been from the start of this nation. Actually, the government could take a lot more restrictive measures, if needed.
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CPT Anthony Asquith
CPT Anthony Asquith
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Capt Gregory Prickett - If I wanted belief, I'd go to church and let the preacher inspire my faith. This is nothing to do with belief. This question has everything to do with the misapplication of data set observations outside of a laboratory and the mass hysteria that it generates in public settings.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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CPT Anthony Asquith - If that's what you wanted, you should have so stated. The original post said nothing about how the data sets were being used, but talked about the coercive efforts of the government, and Walmart being unfair.
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CPT Anthony Asquith
CPT Anthony Asquith
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Capt Gregory Prickett, what I wanted? Hmm. I want you to know that you are a fantastic lawyer.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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CPT Anthony Asquith - I already know that.
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Let's organize these as points -- you aren't clear on when it comes to specifics:
1) "State and local..draconian precautions.." are you talking here about face masks?
2) "Walmart... price floor" - what items?
3) "coercive policies.." what policies?
4) "forcing Medical industry" -- how?
5) "coercive mechanisms of govt" -- what mechanisms? what observations?
6) "freedom" what freedom?
7) "observations for hypothesis testing.." what?
8) "state and local health departments..." how are they usurping individuals choice?

I am guessing that you are talking about wearing mask and you do not believe the SARS-Covid-2 is a serious health issue. Let's address the issue of Covid first. What we do know is the R-naught (transmission rate) range is 2-4. This is to say 1 person infects 2 to 4 others that go on to infect 2 to 4 more each (2nd derivative of 4 to 16 additional people). The most widely expected R-0 is around 2.2-2.3. This is higher than flu which is below 2 and in order to get the virus under control we need to have it below 1.

The swine flu, which is a good comparison, infected 60m Americans and resulted in about 12,000 deaths. This CFR or case fatality rate was around 0.02 while the regular flu CFR is below 0.01 or below 1%. Deaths often occur with in the elderly population but no severe secondary effects on survivors. The CFR for Covid-19 is, when factoring in the expected number of asymptotic individuals, closer to .5 to 1%. Originally I believe this number was believed to be around 1.2%.

If we use .6% CFR and this were to go unchecked, we can easily assume 60m people in the US would become sick. This would result in an estimated 3.6m dead vs the swine flu's deaths of 12k. However, and here is the problem that many fail to grasp... that with a hospitalization rate of around 5%, we would exceed the available beds in the US. And given that we only have about 20 ventilators per 100,000 people in the US we would also quickly exceed that number as well. As a result, care would and survivability of Covid-19 would be significantly impacted and we'd be in a situation like Italy was; people unable to get help and dying at home. The death rate could easily double here and we'd see deaths near 7 to 10 million. We have not even discussed the secondary deaths -- have a heart attack? No room in the hospitals so you also die...Have a car accident, bleed out while waiting for a doctor to care for you.

We have not even discussed the secondary effects of those that don't die and instead of life-long respiratory problems. ARDS -- fluid building up in the lungs, holes in the lungs and other problems are serious life long effects that are not widely discussed nor the implications on society. Of the cases, 40% develop ARDS and about half of those are severe and will reduce a person's ability to perform work and require further care for the rest of their life.

And we haven't even talked about the dangers of a virus mutating. Obviously the more people that have it, the greater the chance it will mutate and while some mutations could be less dangerous, others could be more severe.

Increase the number of people with such illnesses and you increase the need to raise taxes to help support these people over the course of their lives. Our health care system turns into a third world triage system that is unable to keep up with other needs (cancer, accidents, etc).

Here is what we do know about face masks. That wearing one (a proper one and wearing it properly) cuts transmission by about 2/3rds and around 95-99% if both individuals wear a mask. Agreed that there are different levels of protection and wearing a bandana is a joke and won't do anything but face masks that are N95 or KN95 are very effective IF properly warn.

To prevent unneeded and unnecessary deaths, wearing a face mask is an easy task. Properly warn, and a correct mask, can reduce the transmission to below 1. If EVERYONE were to do so for a period of 2-3 months we'd be close to a more normal life. If we had proper contract tracing -- requiring people to load an app to track individuals movements (no PII) except phone number/name -- to identify potential vectors when a person tests hot then we could get the virus out of the US.

For questions: 2-8 there are no specifics and I can only guess as to what you are discussing.
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CPT Anthony Asquith
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SPC (Join to see), data does not spin. The reason that data does not spin is because data is a collection of objective observations over a period of time. Sources of data should be used for testing hypotheses in a laboratory. Laboratories provide controls for study of the outcomes. Outcomes generate discussions for policy, recommendations, future study and conclusions.

Controls? Think back to basic training and the mitigating factors to reduce risk that a Drill Sargent or a Drill Instructor presented to the company before setting out on a training exercise. Think of a safety brief provided by the CO for a long weekend. Those factors mitigate risk of harm to soldiers needed to remain safe at that specific point in time and before the training exercise or the long weekend begins.

Testing conducted outside of a laboratory produces ad hoc results because the testers provide zero control measures to the test taker during the test. Ad hoc results are scientifically unreliable. Ad hoc results mean nothing for science. Ad hoc results mean everything for politics and politicians. Translation: fanning the flames of hysteria potentially generates votes from fearful individuals that believe that the end is imminent and that subscribe to media spin for driving home a politically false narrative.
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SGT Gregory Cole
SGT Gregory Cole
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CPT Anthony Asquith on point 4 sir, you forgot to mention the bleaching of the brown eye. Gotta be ready for the big green weenie 24/7.
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CPT Anthony Asquith You Are applying statistics here and data theories incorrectly.
Think about this for a minute... Either statistics are wrong and people w several advanced degrees and PhDs — even ones from MIT — are wrong or you are wrong.

I would suggest looking into a top 20 data science program. Not an online degree mill — that’s basically like high school — but look into taking classes at place like Georgetown, NYU, Columbia, IU, UT, Stanford. You’ll find these challenging and learn a lot.
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PO2 Stephen Cline
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SPC (Join to see) - I'm sorry but you have been lied to by the government and the media. Studies going back to at least 2002 found no evidence that masks will protect from a virus. masked are rated to filter at 10 microns an N94 3 microns a virus is 0.01 microns. A recently released study (Aug.26th) found that masks, social distancing and the lock downs had no effect on the spread of this virus and that it's spread pattern is the same as any other virus. It's all on the internet all anyone has to do is do your own research.
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"why are state and local health departments forcing the medical industry upon the American public?"

I refer you to the Preamble of the Constitution: "We the People of the United States, in Order to...promote the general Welfare..."

One is, of course, free to disagree that the policies used achieve the goal of promoting the general welfare.
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CPT Anthony Asquith
CPT Anthony Asquith
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How do you know that this is the same virus? Quite frankly, you don't have the evidence of that. You are basing a narrative on history rather than science. I state this because the government is collecting observations about COVID at the same time you make this assertion.

Here is the thing, in order for you, in this very conversation to accurately assess the condition that you assume that I have, and you are assuming without evidence that I have somehow contracted the COVID-19 Coronavirus, the government/medical facilities whatever need my consent for testing. Quite frankly, I refuse to give that consent to anyone that is not my medical doctor.

Therefore, the government is without an invitation intervening itself into my health. And that is something that all Americans should take very seriously.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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CPT Anthony Asquith - I know for a fact that it's NOT the same virus. And again, you are making assumptions that are not true. I don't care whether you have it or not, and it's not material to the ability of the government to order your to wear a mask. Next, it doesn't require your consent, which was the point of the Mary Mallon story. She was given a chance to be free, and she f*ed it up. So, to protect the community, the government put her in a small cottage on N. Brother Island, in the East River. And then they kept her there for the rest of her life.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SFC Casey O'Mally
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CPT Anthony Asquith Me stating that you do not have the right to punch people is not the same as me discussing a fist fight. It was an example - and only an example - of the fact that our freedoms are not unlimited.

My lack of a profile picture is not a "lack of transparency" it is a dislike of cameras and a choice for a small modicum of privacy. Nonetheless, my profile says enough about me. Really, "SFC Retired" (and verified) should be enough. If somehow you need a picture, that is on you, not me.
You are NOT "trying to make sense of a very confusing topic" you are deliberately using wordplay to be ambiguous and MORE confusing without actually stating your complaint, leaving others to guess at your intent.
And your ambiguity is not a result of my lack of a profile picture. It is a result of your unwillingness or inability to speak clearly.
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