Posted on Feb 22, 2019
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I lied at meps . I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn’t they found it at meps . I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it’s a no go or not . The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . But I’m afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ?
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LTC Jason Mackay
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John Kellen you are aware you are on a public website and that anyone can read this, right?
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David King
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SSG Sean Donahue - I normally don't comment here, since, as a civilian, it's not my place to do so, most of the time.

My first immigrant ancestor came to America in 1633, and served in Maryland Colony's first House of Burgesses in 1635. My last immigrant, my namesake, came to America in 1760, still British America. I have 12(!) ancestors who fought the redcoats during the American Revolution, none of them officers. Both of my parent's families have roads named after them, Kings Road in Wolfe County, Kentucky, and Adams Road, north of Cincinnati (that's Adams with one d, not two, thank you). Knowing what I know about my family history, I will say that, almost to a man, they came to America to get away from elitist snobbery. So please listen closely, when I tell you to take your elitist snobbery and shove it. That is NOT what America is about. You can't get more American than I am, yet I will say that, if someone comes off the boat tomorrow, and gets to the point he takes his oath of citizenship, he is just as American as I am. I don't care if his family was dirt poor, or he came from royalty. You come across like a descendant of some Bostonian blueblood, who didn't take the hint, and flee to Canada. Education is important, but it's not everything. I have met some well-educated folks in life, but some of them were severely lacking in common sense.

My apologies to the rest of you. The vast majority of servicemen and women deserve the upmost respect. Unfortunately, there are exceptions. I usually ignore them, but that was too egregious to ignore. Egregious? That's a pretty big word for a high school graduate...

Before anybody asks, I was medically disqualified from serving. It's not for lack of trying.

EDIT: Actually, one of my Revolutionary ancestors made it into the officer ranks, despite his lowly upbringing. I had to go check my records after writing that. And I had to rewrite the whole comment, if you see any variance from your email.
Admittedly, SSG Donahue, you have taken the side of a potential serviceman trying to get in, but I couldn't abide the rest of your comment.
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SSG Sean Donahue
SSG Sean Donahue
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Your don't seem to know much about the reality of your country. You have a chip on your shoulder about not having acquired an education. I worked very hard to get one.

I completed two years of college part-time, as a soldier, before I went to full time college and grad school. Regarding "elitism", you misunderstand the military of you do not think it runs on elitism. You boast of ancestors who made America. Did they make it to be elite? If took the time out to get the education you scoff at, you would discover that America set out, with great intent, to be elite. The Antebellum South is an example of that.

What you don't understand, and wouldn't, is that the best officers are usually the academy grads. I found the academy grads to be much more supportive of soldiers getting an education than were the other officers. I found that many of the officers who were former enlisted often (always) got in my way, regardless of what I was trying to do.

I discovered what an ivy league education was when an army major (former enlisted who never made it to flag rank and who did not have an ivy league education himself) very condescendingly assured me that my pride for having completing two years of college part-time on base was misplaced because I didn't have a real education. He added that education only matters to the alphabet agencies if it is ivy league. So I went to the Army education center and asked what an ivy league education was. They were also condescending about it.

When I finished my first grad degree from Columbia I called a person I served with in 160th SOAG/SOAR who remembered the moment and he put me through to the officer's desk phone in a spooky hq so that I could tell him I finished my ivy league education. I think that is the America that you are trying to talk about. Too bad you just rode the wave of grateness created by your ancestors.

With regard to immigration, I assume that you are trying to make a pitch to promote open borders. If so, I disagree. If you are trying to make an argument about racial diversity, I also disagree. I believe a great America would be one that adhered to the US constitution as it was intended to be in 1787. I also believe that it was the non slave states that destroyed America and eventually the constitution. Severing ties with the Liberian colony and using the emancipated blacks as a threat to wreak havoc, as Lincoln did, is the cause of the racial strife our society experiences today. I think these issues are what you are trying to get to. You want to argue about immigration. I want closed borders and I want to take away birthright citizenship unless you are born to a citizen. I want to return to a caste system in which only white male citizens have a right to vote, the very system that your ancestors created.
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CPO Charles Mabry
CPO Charles Mabry
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PFC Deric Gregory - It may not be the only thing...but it was the FIRST opportunity to tell the truth and he did not do that. This goes to his underlying decision making thought process and honor. You can't start out with a blatant lie and expect to get forgiveness in the end. Not a good plan...and beyond that; How dumb do you have to be to post something like this on an open forum?
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CPO Charles Mabry
CPO Charles Mabry
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SSG Sean Donahue - Well, I think we're all glad that you are no longer in the service. With that outlook why did you ever enlist? The plain truth is that the mission of the military is to execute civilian foreign policy, and anything that gets in the way of that should not be accepted. This is why we have the standards in the military that we do. Who told you that the military is a fair organization? We regularly exclude people for medical reasons so that it is not an undue burden on the system. The system is there to fight enemies and win wars, not take care of people with medical challenges on day one. The other point is that he lied and falsified government documents. If he will lie about that, then what else might he lie about. Glad you're no longer in the military... you couldn't lead a horse to water with that outlook and attitude.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. It is best that you speak with your recruiter and explain that you failed to mention it as your doctor told you it was not an issue. You were torn and want to be honest. Own this and you may be surprised, if nothing else you will have evolved as a man.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
CSM Darieus ZaGara
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Listen, how you approached your service, duty, honor, country is yours, mine is mine. I wish you all the best. SSG Ken Potts
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SPC Sandra Pixley
SPC Sandra Pixley
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GM CSM ZaGara- I love your response. Reminds me of a time while stationed in Frankfurt, West Germany and when I was complaining about making coffee for the G2 staff (I didn't drink coffee). My precious SGM Damien Satiago Perez said, "Pixley do your part". A sweet, simple, but profound advice that I never forgot. 39 years later and I still live by that advice.
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CSM Jim Corrin
CSM Jim Corrin
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My thoughts exactly, CSM.
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CSM Jim Corrin
CSM Jim Corrin
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SSG Ken Potts - You need to tighten up your shot group. Age has nothing to do with honor and integrity. As A SSG you should know that.
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They might now...Why would you pose a question on a public website
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SPC Caroline Avila
SPC Caroline Avila
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I have to agree with the original answer about why post this disclosure on a public site with a confession of lying? No matter when this occurred, you lied, and this could have negative ramifications for your career. Military life is very different from civilian. everything is scrutinized, nothing is forgotten or forgiven, especially the higher you go up in rank. No matter if "Every one is doing it", It'll be the outstanding soldier who goes the other direction that will be sought out for advancement, including those that are honest, and have honor.
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MSgt Seth Trent
MSgt Seth Trent
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Unless you are feeling guilty about it..why bring it up at all?
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CMSgt Budget Analyst
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I believe his youth may be why he asked the question publicly in this forum.
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SFC William Farrell
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SFC (Join to see) - I dont know why they did away with AKO and my military email address!
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