Posted on May 10, 2017
Jessica Horne
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Edited 7 y ago
Job title and descriptions are important but having the salary (or salary range) would be best. I have applied for jobs, gone through interviews, and put a lot of time into the process only to find out that pay was too low. The job title and description were good, I was definitely interested. But I wasted my time and theirs since they weren't paying more. This has happened to other people I know as well. This isn't just bad for military members, but everyone.
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Jessica Horne
Jessica Horne
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Thank you for your feedback. In most cases, we aren't able to advertise compensation if there is a range involved. However, I too agree that we shouldn't waste anyone's time if compensation isn't a match. I make it a point to discuss it on the first phone interview to ensure that all expectations are known. As a candidate, I understand that it can be tricky to broach the topic of compensation during initial conversations with a potential employer however if the employer doesn't bring it up on the front end I don't think there is any harm in just asking if they can discuss it with you to make sure compensation is aligned with expectations. I can tell you from a Recruiter's perspective that I don't see it as a red flag if a candidate asks me about compensation on the front end and understand that it is a necessary part of the discussion for all parties involved. If you have questions about how to approach that conversation with a recruiter or employer let me know.
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Jessica Horne Thanks! I'll certainly let you know if I have any questions.
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SGT Dave Tracy
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I would pull back from an examination of what should be in a job description, and look at whom hiring managers are trying to reach.

If there is a problem attracting veterans and transitioning service members, that problem I think starts with the perception of the "community" hiring managers are reaching out to. It's a bit of a shotgun approach to target "veterans" or "military members".

One may think that veterans and military members are a homogeneous collection of commonly skilled, motivated worker bees, but there are significant differences among vets and current service members in terms of age, education levels, and training in the wildly different jobs to be found among the various branches of the military.

To say "I want to hire veterans" is as useful as saying "I want to hire college graduates". What does that even mean? What is the job? Who are the candidates supposed to be? What is their education, training and knowledge base? Let's narrow this down a bit and target the search to fill the open position.

As with any effort to recruit qualified people, hiring managers need to have a more narrow focus on who they are looking for. Whether looking for machinists, X-ray technicians, general laborers, firefighters, salespeople, etc., target recruiting efforts where there's a higher likelihood of successfully finding a qualified candidate. Sure, a shotgun approach on RallyPoint for example might garner some interest--and is worth a try--but the greater effort is probably better spent reaching out to specific groups within the military/veteran communities.

If looking to fill "X", post job descriptions that tag X; look for any social media groups that are specific to X; perhaps there are veteran service organizations that may have insight into the X industry and reach out to them. Don't give up on the shotgun approach, but if possible to do so, focus search efforts where one is likely to find the best qualified candidate for the specific position.

Once a hiring manager or headhunter knows what they need and the type of candidate they want to fill it, then decide what goes in the help wanted ad.
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Jessica Horne
Jessica Horne
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Thank you so much for your feedback! I really appreciate your time.
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SSG Trevor S.
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Since publishing a pay scale seems to be against the HR Ten Commandments, "Commandment four, Thou shall not publish a pay scale. Qualified applicants shall not know their worth before negotiating, so sayeth the Lord." I glance at the description then go over the qualifications. If I meet those then I go back to the description.
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SSG Trevor S.
SSG Trevor S.
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@sgt Dave Tracy, you might be right about that! I could have the New Bill Gates International Version while you have the King Richard Branson version! LOL
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SGT Dave Tracy
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SSG Trevor S. - That is possible, as it was translated from the original Howard Hughes Edition. And I so love my originals!
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Pay seems to be a part of the negotiations process. glassdoor.com can give you a good idea of what the median wage for a particular job could be.
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Jessica Horne
Jessica Horne
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Thank you for your feedback! For the most part, we are unable to advertise salary ranges on a job description but I am a believer that it should be discussed on the initial phone interview. I would definitely recommend researching what similar jobs pay in a specific geographic location so you can be prepared during the initial conversation with a recruiter or employer to ask questions about compensation. Payscale.com is also another great site.
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