Posted on Jul 27, 2017
Should we discontinue saluting officers/senior officers so junior military members do not feel so undermined and more included?
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HA! Haahaaaaaaaa! Oh...wait. I think I actually peed a little. Be right back.
WTF are you talking about? Saluting and the greeting of the day are mandatory. MAN-DA-TORY. It's slop like this that is stripping the military out of the military. Why not let people wear what they want to duty? Wouldn't want to make them feel like less of a snowflake because they have to be subject to the oppression of wearing rank and looking like everyone else. It might bruise their precious ego that an emasculated society has provided them. There's a place for not saluting, it's in the field. They should have PLENTY of time to save their arm strength and pride when they are knee deep in mud and sweating through their uniform while forging something useful out of what society has provided to the military.
Not saluting...you just made my heart break a little inside, marine.
WTF are you talking about? Saluting and the greeting of the day are mandatory. MAN-DA-TORY. It's slop like this that is stripping the military out of the military. Why not let people wear what they want to duty? Wouldn't want to make them feel like less of a snowflake because they have to be subject to the oppression of wearing rank and looking like everyone else. It might bruise their precious ego that an emasculated society has provided them. There's a place for not saluting, it's in the field. They should have PLENTY of time to save their arm strength and pride when they are knee deep in mud and sweating through their uniform while forging something useful out of what society has provided to the military.
Not saluting...you just made my heart break a little inside, marine.
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SPC (Join to see)
Well if they cannot handle a salute. Then they have no right to be in the service and cannot handle a weapon. And u will never get our country to showing ANY respect for anything in our history or anything now if we just roll over to less and less. U guys have made it so American military is LESS FIT and more likely to get killed cause u lowered standards. Right now we have no standards.
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SP5 Robert Kennedy
Hmmm, SPC (Verify To See), I'm seeing your point regarding honoring the salute. However I don't link it to weaponry. Military duty (my personal opinion) should be required regardless of sex or physical fitness. I mentioned Israel, above. 99% of Americans can do something useful to our common benefit. Service for those unfit - physically - should serve in some other capacity for the typically low pay given to military personnel. Their term should be the same as military. There are many things that nonmilitary people can do that will benefit the Country. Once the citizen completes their assigned term of service, military or otherwise, they will be more connected to the Country than they would if they did nothing. Wouldn't it be nice if 99% of our population rendered service to the common good for an assigned term? That was my point.
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PO2 Howard Carrell
Mostly we had excellent officers, we held them on high, Navy Pilots; Back then anyone who could land on a flight deck deserved respect. We did have a Warrant Officer who was a POS, he deserved a float check, but I guess never got it. He lied to me once and I never respected him after that. I saluted his rank, empty shirt.
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Is this a joke? If it isn't, that old belief, "there are no stupid questions" was just completely disproved. And FYI-- as an enlisted person, I truly respect the role of our officers, however, I NEVER felt the need to "feel more included" with officers. #WTF
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SPC Stephen Kraft
There aren’t stupid questions, but there are stupid people asking them. This highlights the matter.
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SPC Stephen Kraft
PFC John Lanni how you call yourself an 11B2P when you’re a PFC? I bet you’re a leg MP. Be honest. And you’ve never been near an actual bad situation.
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SPC Stephen Kraft
[Martin Church] dude, I’m Gen X. Leave us out of this argument. We made up the bulk of the OIF and OEF NCO corps, we were latchkey kids who drank from hoses and who had a “sundown curfew”. Hell, the early millennials made up the bulk of the GWOT ground troops. Check your facts.
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If the junior members are feeling undermined and not included it's because they don't have an understanding of the custom. It is an exchange of respect initiated by the junior, reciprocated by the senior. Seniors are just as responsible for returning a salute as juniors are for giving one.
On a related note enlisted should not feel embarrassed when accidentally saluting another enlisted member either.
On a related note enlisted should not feel embarrassed when accidentally saluting another enlisted member either.
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MSgt Craig Gauger
When I was a young Airman (no stripes yet) stationed at Homestead AFB, FL in 1977, we had a lot of Army and Navy and some Marines for NSGA security. I saluted a senior Navy man one day. He chuckled and explained to me the top 3 Navy enlisted rank insignias. He was a MCPO. When I saw that anchor and stars, I knew I was supposed to salute.
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Cpl Cary Cartter
MSgt Craig Gauger - As a freshly minted Field Radio Operator (USMC MOS 2531, might be in the archives of the archives of the archives) while at FROC school, Mainside Pendleton, we were on a class break when a Marine with shiny stuff EVERYWHERE on his utilities came around the corner. I called the group to attention, threw up a salute ... and the Guard NCO of the Day laughed until he was red in the face.
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CWO3 Bryan Luciani
I've seen one too many senior enlisted (including my own experience as an E4) where a junior salutes an older looking Master Chief (whose insignia has both gold and silver) and the MCPO stops and dresses down the junior with that ignorant, "I work for a living", comment, instead of returning that salute that was rendered out of respect.
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1stSgt Dan Boone
MSgt Craig Gauger - Ooooooh..... I have that shirt also. Young PFC (E-2) at Memphis NAS for training. I saluted more CPO's than you can shake a stick at.
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