Posted on Aug 5, 2015
SSG Brian Marshall
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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I am going to have to go the other way on this. It is a very common practice to write your own eval. I have always written my own and had the NCO Support Channel make minor edits as they see fit. Nobody knows what you have done in terms of quantity and quality better than yourself. So writing your own evals is great in my opinion. Now the only time I do not think it should be done is for a relief for cause NCOER. But that's another subject. I have great knowledge in regards to NCOERS, bullets, how things should be written and if comments match the senior rater's recommendations and number ratings. It also helps to be friends with CSM Mark Gerecht.

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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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SSG Brian Marshall

Good Point. Well in my case that doesn't really work because my supervisor and I work in two different locations and can't really physically see what I do everyday. I think it's pretty nifty how they trust me to draft if up and just send it to them for minor edits. I guess both cases are true as your first line should be engaged daily.
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SSG Brian Marshall
SSG Brian Marshall
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Very true and in some cases there may be exceptions. But like I said in another post your first line is supposed to do quarterly counselings where he can sit down and get input from you there and then take those and write your NCOER. I just wish I had more time in the Army to help make a change to the NCO corp.
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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SSG Brian Marshall

Roger that. I get mine but that really isn't a common occurrence as you pointed out. Those quarterly counselings as notated on the 2166-8-1 is the map to track your progress and all the things you have done. Like a monthly counseling if you will. I know you know that, I am just rambling. Lol.
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SSG Brian Marshall
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Oh no I appreciate the response. This can only make for a better leader to get other people's input. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
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MAJ Armored Combat Command Commander
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I had an AGR E-5 working for me and he showed me the NCOER that someone wrote for him. I was aghast as it was written in a manner that would ruin his career. An AC E-7 and I rewrote his NCOER which described him as a hell of an NCO, which he was.
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SSG Brian Marshall
SSG Brian Marshall
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I understand that as well. That E5 has rights when it comes to his NCOER. Whoever wrote it has to have the proof of him being horrible with his quarterly counselings. All the E5 would have had to do is appeal it unless the superior had the quarterly counselings of which the E5 signed.
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His senior thought he was doing him a favor, albeit with a terrible NCOER.
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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You better take a very active role in your report card......If that means writing a report full of "recommended bullets" then I suggest you do just that!
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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So, was this thread an ambush in waiting, if so, your tact lacks integrity SSG Brian Marshall.

Assuming sarcasm was in your reply, I'll be your huckleberry....just because we are a leader does not mean we are all knowing. When we quit allowing input from subordinates, it is time for us to find a new vacation because we become consumed in serving ourselves instead of serving our people.

A good practice I learned was to enter into monthly performance counseling with an outline and complete the counseling with input from the Soldier. I have also used the technique of allowing Soldiers to complete their own counseling and compared it to the counseling I prepared for them as well. If you have never done this, I encourage you to explore that technique as it might surprise you with the results.

So, with these points in mind, there is no problem with outlining accomplishments that are important to you. You should have input....and very soon, you WILL have input!
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SSG Brian Marshall
SSG Brian Marshall
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Oh no not at all CSM. I just don't think it is ever right to write your own NCOER. I didn't mean any disrespect with that. I just feel that most of today's senior NCO's think its beneath them to write the NCOER and help mold the NCO's under them. I agree that there are many different techniques to counseling and those are very valid points.
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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The rater should not expect the rated NCO to write their own report however, I am not naïve to believe it does not happen. I'm sure your heard the adage that goes something similar to "10% of your people will cause 90% of the problems causing you to spend 90% of your time with 10% of the people", that same thought could create a focus on the problems rather than those that are doing the right things.

When a rater "expects" the subordinate NCO to write their own report, it is typically due to several factors:
1. Subordinate is a proven stellar performer.
2. Senior trusts the subordinate unequivocally.
3. Senior is overwhelmed with a focus on the negative performers in the unit and thus not spending the quality time needed for everyone equally.
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig with the utmost respect, well said and profoundly conveyed to the simplest terms! Hoohaa.
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