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1SG Stephen Burgess
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When I was a 1SG I would have put my foot up a civilians ass for trying to impose corrective actions on a Soldier. Now that I am a GS civilian...I would put my foot up a civilians ass for trying to impose corrective actions on a Soldier.
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1SG Stephen Burgess
1SG Stephen Burgess
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SSG Jason Penn - You’re the first shade tree JAG wannabe to ever come up with that argument HAHAHAHA!!!
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SSG Jason Penn
SSG Jason Penn
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1SG Stephen Burgess - Tell me that it is ok to intentionally violate an AR. If you think so, then you are a disgrace of a 1SG.
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CPL Jarod Depastene
CPL Jarod Depastene
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SSG Jason Penn -
I'm a little late to the party here, but holy shit have you got a mouth on you. All those opinions and you still manage to be completely and utterly wrong.
Also.... "retard"? How old are you? 12?
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SSG Jason Penn
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CPL Jarod Depastene - Listen here Corporal! There are Regulations for a reason! Failure to uphold the regulations is the quickest way to get kicked out!
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Maj John Bell
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On Embassy Duty, as the Company "F" OpsO, I had a State Department General Services Officer (sort of the embassy S-4) tell me he was the equivalent of a Brigadier General and demand that I stand at attention when I addressed him and render a hand salute upon arrival or departure of his presence. The Ambassador (a Former Marine Artillery Officer) and I laughed so hard we couldn't breathe. When the Ambassador could finally speak, he said "Not even in pay grade... dumbass." Then we laughed some more.
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SSG Medical Practice
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Funny!
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1SG Edward Cullen
1SG Edward Cullen
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That's great!
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Maj John Bell
Maj John Bell
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COL William Oseles - I think my answer was more to the point. "No."
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang For what it's worth, the GSO is on the FP pay system, not the GS, but like you said still nowhere near a brigadier general. The equivalent would be a Senior Foreign Service and they have a different naming convention.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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From my operational background (not legal, not a JAG), the legal requirement to obey legal orders given by superior commissioned officers is well known and established. A GS civilian is not a superior commissioned officer, and is not in the direct chain of command. The only situation where I could imagine a GS civilian having any authority to direct even one push-up would be a doctor or nurse during an examination following an injury to determine readiness, or during physical therapy, but even then these would be considered medical advice and not orders. If you failed to follow medical advice and as a result you harmed yourself or prevented recovery, then your commander could legally punish you, but that's about as close as I can imagine.
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SPC Chris Ison
SPC Chris Ison
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1SG Edward Cullen - Then how do they fix a soup sandwich?
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1SG Edward Cullen
1SG Edward Cullen
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SPC Chris Ison - Use the military Chain of Command. He has a NCO somewhere responsible for him.
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SPC Chris Ison
SPC Chris Ison
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1SG Edward Cullen - I have never had a civilian supervisor. Only time i ever saw one was the tool shop in the Navy, it was overseen by a civilian lady, and she was the end all be all of the tool shop. She may have answered to the Maintenance officer, I am not sure. But she had a LOT of authority over the people who worked for her, including a chief (E-7). She had the ability to make them stay after work hours, extra details, (something i would call "extra training" or even "punishment"). This may be because of FOD, I am not sure. But a lost tool, in aviation, can shut an entire base down depending on who lost what and where.

The Navy doesn't use physical reinforcement on its people, at least not in aviation. I had a new first line supervisor about a month after i had been made leading Airmen, and he wanted to implement a "push up" punishment program. Not sure where he got that moronic idea, but i told him it wouldn't work. He pushed it, it went to the maintenance officer who agree with me.

You can't put people face down in a 200 degree tarmac, in the middle of flight ops, because you don't like the way he spoke to you. Besides the point that every plane captain in the Navy has more authority than most of the Petty Officers and officers on the flight line, when his aircraft is still on the deck. Once you pass it off to final check you are a regular Joe again. Sometimes a little common sense is needed when dealing with leadership challenges.
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SGM Omer Dalton
SGM Omer Dalton
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Can’t require push-ups but can be in the supervisory chain. Have go through the military chain for other military actions. How do I know because I was a senior civil servant and was the rater for majors and LTCs and senior rater for enlisted soldiers and junior officers. For instant I had to get a LTC relieved and reassigned. So civilians in supervisory positions do have some authority.
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