Posted on May 30, 2018
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Recently, I've gotten out of OCS training where they train us to be apolitical at ALL times when it comes to our personal politics regardless of where we stand on issues and I took that to heart. Basically, I learned always to be aware that someone is watching your social media and what you say can get you in trouble or create conflicts in the Army. However, I've noticed a rise in the last few years of a number of politically ambitious officers either placing their two cents in the media and even running for office. I applaud it, but in many cases, it results in them risking directly criticizing military policies, using their military credentials with the sole intention to enter elected office or even going toe-to-toe with the President. So it leaves me confused at times about how they balance their service with political ambitions without crossing any lines. Care to square me away on this?
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COL Strategic Plans Chief
Service members are subject to numerous articles of the UCMJ that prohibit us from getting involved in politics while in uniform or while representing the US military. Simply by having your rank in front of your name on this social media site, you are subject to those articles. It's when you aren't representing the military where it gets into gray area. For me, gray area is still bad. You're leaving it up to interpretation. Your opinion generally doesn't matter. If it goes to UCMJ, it's in someone else's hands to determine if UCMJ applies...not yours. One of the problems we have is that people seem to think they can be individuals and as such, they aren't subject to the regulations which hold us to a higher standard than your average American. You can't say, "I'm COL Halvorson and I oppose Senator X's policy on Jell-O." You could go out in civilian clothes and NOT announce you are in the military and say the same thing...but...how hard is it for someone to take a picture and put a couple of words under it that says you are COL Halvorson and you said it? When you get to local and national level media situations, multiply that gray area by a bucket of chicken and you can see how badly this can swing out of control. I embrace the old-school mentality on politics. I don't have an opinion of individual politicians or their policies in public. Period. I am not fond of politicians in general. That's ok to say. I think there should be term limits. That's ok to say because it's a personal belief and I haven't made it a counter argument to policy or to a stance that a currently serving elected official has stated. If you are out of the military, game on. There are a lot of people bashing officers who have retired because they have stepped up. I don't. If they are no longer subject to UCMJ, then to me, they've got 20+ years of frustration to vent...and they have been close to some significant problems. Go for the gold. If you are in uniform, shut it. Tell other people to shut it. Do your job. Serve the nation.
MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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Another point is when a service member makes a political statement on AD, a caveat should be made that they are not speaking for the military. Some of our outspoken commissioned officers on RP play this one close to the line.
LCDR Naval Aviator
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That's not accurate. The UCMJ has held that political opinion, including strong objection, is allowed, so long as you don't personally impugn the individual in question or do so as an endorsement of the military.
COL Strategic Plans Chief
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LCDR (Join to see), that's a gray area. How can one impugn an official? Is it by openly speaking out about a policy that is in debate and publicly challenging the stance of one side or another? What words do you use to do so? What is the tone of the message you are sending? Tone is a huge problem. Social media doesn't channel tone and it's in the eye of the reader to fill in whether there is anger or enlightenment there. If you are a known military member, your actions and voice could be considered in violation whether you make a statement that you are in the military or not. It's best not to leave it up to a judge...or your commander. It's like a borderline haircut. That's going to be rough to understand, being in the Navy (had to get one in). There are regulations. Everyone knows what they are. But you could push it...just to see how close you can get before the Master Chief tears into you. And you push. And you push. And then you are standing in front of the Lieutenant explaining why you can't meet grooming standards. My recommendation is to stay out of it. Argue regulation and policy.
LTC Multifunctional Logistician
Officers or Enlisted can get into politics once they leave service.
MAJ Contracting Officer
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National Guard the Reservists can participate in any politics we desire subject to State (U)CMJ the Reserves can do what we want 28 days of the month.
LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen C.
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I assume so, LTC (Join to see). Graham served in the SCANG and the USAFR while serving concurrently in the U.S. Congress.
Capt Daniel Goodman
Capt Daniel Goodman
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I just thought to mention, I did see everything everyone sent.,.I did find of interest that Congress mbrs can be in off, and still be in I gath3r, at least, ARNH or ANG...i didn't know about a Reserve, I couldn't judge that from what I'd read here thus far....
MAJ Contracting Officer
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In the reserves you technically need a waiver from the DoD once you get elected, or they can kick you out of the reserves, I bet we all can guess how many times a general has told a congressman he can't stay in the reserves.
SSG Robert Perrotto
the best answer is - if you are active - do not - under any circumstances - get involved with politics - perception is what the key to UCMJ actions are - if it is perceived that you are speaking as a member of the Armed Forces, even if you do not mention it, then you are subject to the regulations. You (general you - not personal you) are not being paid to be political - you are paid to carry out the orders of the United States President. It is in your oath - Unless it clearly violates the Constitution, you will carry out those orders whether you agree or disagree with them.

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