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Posted on Aug 13, 2018
Recidivism is an excellent revenue generator for private prisons in America. What incentives do they have to rehabilitate offenders?
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When criminal occupation is a boon for private prisons, can we honestly say those prisons don’t intentionally instigate crime to maintain one of the highest recidivism rates in the world?
Why should they care about creating productive members of society?
Why are people still going to prison for marijuana-related offenses?
Norway's prison system is much more effective, with some of the lowest recidivism rates in the world. Why don't we take a page from their playbook? Possibly because the private prisons constantly lobby for legislation in their own interest, and not the interest of the country?
Why should they care about creating productive members of society?
Why are people still going to prison for marijuana-related offenses?
Norway's prison system is much more effective, with some of the lowest recidivism rates in the world. Why don't we take a page from their playbook? Possibly because the private prisons constantly lobby for legislation in their own interest, and not the interest of the country?
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Maybe to get contracts for additional prisons.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/how-for-profit-prisons-have-become-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/?utm_term=.a49c16763965
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/how-for-profit-prisons-have-become-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/?utm_term=.a49c16763965
How for-profit prisons have become the biggest lobby no one is talking about
Sen. Marco Rubio is one of the biggest beneficiaries.
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Just what I like about a progressive, blame someone else for an individual's actions. No one forced anyone to commit a crime and many, before going to prison were given more than one chance.
Do you know what percent of the prison population is in private prisons or is this just a talking point you picked up from somewhere? Probably not, why let a few facts spoil a misguided post. About 7% of state prisoners and about 18% of federal prisoners. The reason the feds numbers are so high, drum roll please, immigration related crime. Yes CPB and ICE have to use them because we don't have enough federal prisons to hold all of the illegals. Are you up for building more federal prisons to house them or are you a catch and release kind of guy? Let me guess....
Each of us are responsible for our own actions or inactions. Are you aware of any of the programs in private prisons to rehabilitate criminals or are you just tossing out blanket statements because you think it serves your purpose?
Then use Norway's prison systems as the model. Well there is an apples and oranges comparison. Did you know that Norway's incarceration rate is 75 per 100,000 people, compared to 707 people for every 100,000 people in the US. We have 10x the crime but let me guess, that is not the criminals fault, that is societies fault. Norway is a country of 5 million people, we have 330 million people so they are 1.5% of our population and they are a pretty isolated (mostly) homogeneous European country.
Do you know what percent of the prison population is in private prisons or is this just a talking point you picked up from somewhere? Probably not, why let a few facts spoil a misguided post. About 7% of state prisoners and about 18% of federal prisoners. The reason the feds numbers are so high, drum roll please, immigration related crime. Yes CPB and ICE have to use them because we don't have enough federal prisons to hold all of the illegals. Are you up for building more federal prisons to house them or are you a catch and release kind of guy? Let me guess....
Each of us are responsible for our own actions or inactions. Are you aware of any of the programs in private prisons to rehabilitate criminals or are you just tossing out blanket statements because you think it serves your purpose?
Then use Norway's prison systems as the model. Well there is an apples and oranges comparison. Did you know that Norway's incarceration rate is 75 per 100,000 people, compared to 707 people for every 100,000 people in the US. We have 10x the crime but let me guess, that is not the criminals fault, that is societies fault. Norway is a country of 5 million people, we have 330 million people so they are 1.5% of our population and they are a pretty isolated (mostly) homogeneous European country.
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Do you seriously believe any single criminal is the source of crime? Sure, they're responsible for their actions, but they are the symptom, not the source. So yes, it is society's fault to a large degree. An unsurprising number of inmates suffer from poverty and poor education - both of which are powerful contributors to crime - and both of which could be improved if society cared enough to do something about it.
It's hilarious that you have such a poor grasp of mathematics, that you only prove my point further. All things being equal: Norway's incarceration rate is 0.075%, America's is 0.707%. The number of citizens is irrelevant. This isn't a difficult concept.
As for your weak little jab at my political leanings, check out my post about false dichotomy politics. I know you won't learn anything, but I'd love to embarrass you there as well.
See you around.
It's hilarious that you have such a poor grasp of mathematics, that you only prove my point further. All things being equal: Norway's incarceration rate is 0.075%, America's is 0.707%. The number of citizens is irrelevant. This isn't a difficult concept.
As for your weak little jab at my political leanings, check out my post about false dichotomy politics. I know you won't learn anything, but I'd love to embarrass you there as well.
See you around.
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Cpl Jeff N.
SSgt (Join to see) - Spoken like a true progressive. Yes the criminal is responsible for their actions. Them and them alone. Poverty and poor education has been a part of the human condition for a very long time.
Poverty does not equal criminal except in your world. Education level does not equal criminal, except in your world. The vast majority of poor people and people with less education do not commit crime. If poverty was an cause of crime we would have had a massive crime wave during the great depression, that didn't happen, did it?
I know you are another genius that attempts to use logical fallacies as a way to defend yourself. Where is any false dichotomy I used in my post?
My data proves my point. The two cultures have massively different amounts (and types) of crime. The Norway model would never work here and you know it. That is just another talking point you used without researching it at all.
You also dodged the main point of your post which was the private prison versus state/government run. You didn't know the actual data, that is obvious. You are spewing talking points you've not looked into. You ought to be a little more circumspect and less condescending and arrogant. That might serve you a little better.
Poverty does not equal criminal except in your world. Education level does not equal criminal, except in your world. The vast majority of poor people and people with less education do not commit crime. If poverty was an cause of crime we would have had a massive crime wave during the great depression, that didn't happen, did it?
I know you are another genius that attempts to use logical fallacies as a way to defend yourself. Where is any false dichotomy I used in my post?
My data proves my point. The two cultures have massively different amounts (and types) of crime. The Norway model would never work here and you know it. That is just another talking point you used without researching it at all.
You also dodged the main point of your post which was the private prison versus state/government run. You didn't know the actual data, that is obvious. You are spewing talking points you've not looked into. You ought to be a little more circumspect and less condescending and arrogant. That might serve you a little better.
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Cpl Jeff N. - Society is to blame. Look at Norway. Number of citizens is irrelevant. Ad nauseum. What I wouldn’t give for five minutes............!!! And he has the unmitigated gall,to call you condescending and arrogant, after that reply from him???
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Maj John Bell
SSgt (Join to see) - " An unsurprising number of inmates suffer from poverty and poor education - both of which are powerful contributors to crime - and both of which could be improved if society cared enough to do something about it."
If you believe poverty is a problem within our potential to solve, please share the solution. I'll agree it may be a contributing factor, but how do you explain that the majority of the poor do not end up in prison? How do you explain people who live above the poverty level ending up in prison. There are more than enough in both cases, where it rises beyond a statistical anomaly.
If you believe poor education is a problem within our potential to resolve, please share a solution. I'll agree it may be a contributing factor, but only in the sense that it leads many into poverty. But how do you explain that the majority of the poorly educated do not end up in prison? How do you explain people who are well-educated ending up in prison. There are more than enough in both cases, where it rises beyond a statistical anomaly.
If you believe poverty is a problem within our potential to solve, please share the solution. I'll agree it may be a contributing factor, but how do you explain that the majority of the poor do not end up in prison? How do you explain people who live above the poverty level ending up in prison. There are more than enough in both cases, where it rises beyond a statistical anomaly.
If you believe poor education is a problem within our potential to resolve, please share a solution. I'll agree it may be a contributing factor, but only in the sense that it leads many into poverty. But how do you explain that the majority of the poorly educated do not end up in prison? How do you explain people who are well-educated ending up in prison. There are more than enough in both cases, where it rises beyond a statistical anomaly.
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