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CPL Douglas Chrysler
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It's official, Joe Biden became a traitor to the Constitution of the United States today by signing an executive order against the 2nd Amendment. And, at the same event declaring 'No amendment is absolute'.
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CPL Douglas Chrysler
CPL Douglas Chrysler
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SSgt (Join to see) That sounds a little pre teen. I'm talking about what Joe Biden did and said. Unless Trump held the pen and wrote the speech, it's all on Joe. If you wish to register a complaint against Trump, be my guest.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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CPL Douglas Chrysler - nothing Biden did violated any part of the constitutions or law and definitely did not violate any part of the 2nd amendment.
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CPL Douglas Chrysler
CPL Douglas Chrysler
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SFC (Join to see) I feel your pain.
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CPL Douglas Chrysler what sounds a bit pre teen? Trump did exactly what you are saying makes Biden a “traitor to the Constitution” but you aren’t recognizing it. If that isn’t the epitome of bias, I’m not sure what is...
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Maj John Bell - "ID to buy a hunting license, a fishing license, a permit to gather deadfall firewood on state land. That's OK. To vote, that's NOT OK."

Those aren't rights though. Voting is a right. To get an ID, people have to pay for IDs, pay for the documents required to get an ID if they don't have them which is a back ass way of a poll tax.

"First, a voter restriction is like a poll tax when its authors use voting fraud as a pretext for legislation that has little to do with voting fraud.

Second, it is like a poll tax when it creates only a small nuisance to some voters, but for other groups it erects serious barriers to the ballot.

Third, it is like a poll tax when it has crude partisan advantage as its most immediate aim."

"Voter fraud" is the boogeyman that the conservatives have been using for years. It first came up when southern states enacted literacy tests, poll taxes and other laws to regulate voting and keep minorities from voting. But due to the 15th Amendment, they couldn't have anything about race in the laws they wrote - so they came up with "voter fraud." Poll taxes did little to prevent voter fraud but it would put a barrier between minority and poor voters and their vote.

Now look at today - same excuses used. "Voter fraud" even when there are no instances of voter fraud at the federal or state level and very, very rare instances at the local level.

11% of US citizens (21 million) don't have government issued photo ID. If ID is offered for free, there is still cost because people would have to pay for birth certificates or other documents to get the ID - and travel costs to go to locations because not everyone lives close to a place that can issue government IDs. It can cost $75-$175 a person - for some people that's a lot of money. Then add in travel that some people have to do which can be a burden for the elderly, disabled, those in rural areas who don't have access to a car or public transportation. There are people who sometimes have to travel 170 miles to get to the nearest ID office.

Stop comparing things that require an ID that aren't a right to voting which is a right.
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SSgt Engineering
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It’s the only way they can manipulate an argument...
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Maj John Bell
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ID to buy a hunting license, a fishing license, a permit to gather deadfall firewood on state land. That's OK.

To vote, that's NOT OK.
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Maj John Bell
Maj John Bell
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Capt Gregory Prickett - Now let's talk FACT. North Dakota is a Republican super majority strong hold.

The allegation is that the GOP wrote the law to disenfranchise potential Democrat voters to tip the scales and defeat Senator Heitkamp. The Voter ID law affected less than 5,000 voters total. Senator Heitkamp lost by more than 24,000 votes and 11percentage points.

The Republican GOP didn't need nonsense to beat her.

An appeals court decision stopped the law from affecting the 2018 primary, and the Supreme court UPHELD the law in the month PRIOR to the general election. However, the North Dakota legislature went back and fixed their error.

From the Current North Dakota Secretary of State web page

"Voter ID Requirements:
_North Dakota Driver’s license
_North Dakota Nondriver’s identification card
_Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)
Long term care identification certificate (provided by North Dakota facility)

Supplemental Identification Requirements:
If an individual’s acceptable form of identification (see list above) does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.

So... problem solved. If you want to vote have ID. Good enough?

When you figure out how to get a legislative body to pass laws free from unexpected consequences, it will be a great day. Mostly because it will put a lot of lawyers out of work.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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Maj John Bell - "However, the North Dakota legislature went back and fixed their error."

Not in time, they didn't.

So, how are you going to remedy the wrong that was done to the Indians? Oops, sorry, won't cut it.
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Maj John Bell
Maj John Bell
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Capt Gregory Prickett - SCOTUS thinks they did. SCOTUS upheld the law and the tribe had 14 years to make sure their members living on tribal lands were eligible to vote.

From the Current North Dakota Secretary of State web page

"Voter ID Requirements:
_North Dakota Driver’s license
_North Dakota Nondriver’s identification card
_Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)
Long term care identification certificate (provided by North Dakota facility)

Supplemental Identification Requirements:
If an individual’s acceptable form of identification (see list above) does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.

Sorry, no one's invented a time machine get over it, or die of old age, a bitter angry man.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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Maj John Bell - Why do keep posting the falsehood that the law was passed in 2004? It was HB 1369 in 2017 that enacted the voter ID requirements in question. See the bill at https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/65-2017/documents/17-0750-07000.pdf

See also https://www.narf.org/cases/nd-voter-id/ particularly where it notes that "the state has failed to assign residential street addresses to homes on tribal reservations." It's kind of hard for the tribes to comply by putting a numbered street address on their IDs when the state won't assign those addresses.
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