Posted on Jul 16, 2014
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Not to piss more of you off about the "Should a 2LT salute a 1LT?" thread moving to the top of the most recent discussions every 5 seconds but I haven't thought about the Warrant Officers on this subject.

So I have a 2ndLt on deck in my unit now and I asked him and our 1stLt about them saluting each other and they explained that also Warrant Officers and Chief Warrant Officers in addition to the Lieutenants never salute each other and it's widely accepted in the Marine Corps under the "one bar rule."

I'm just seeking your thoughts on this.
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CW5 Michael Scheller
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Hold on! What we are truly discussing is a professional exchange or greeting. I, a Warrant Officer, greet many professionals each day. Some are required by regulation to INITIATE the exchange (salute) with me while with others I must be the initiator. I do not simply salute a Lieutenant; he or she in return salutes me. I salute and greet enlisted and noncommissioned officers daily and am proud to do so.

Too many Soldiers, including some of my brethren Warrant Officers, look upon this as a burden instead of a friendly exchange that it truly is. This is similar to saying "good morning ma'am" to a lady I encounter at the grocery store. Initiating that greeting did not make me subordinate to her, however it did enhance my sense of pride in being a gentleman. I take similar pride in being a military professional and thus gladly initiate and return the salute when appropriate.
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CWO5 Ken Davis
CWO5 Ken Davis
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My question would be in regards to Warrant/Chief Warrant Officers saluting regular officers is, is that Officer senior to you? If so, than a salute is right and proper. What many Warrant Officers don't get is even the most junior 2dLt., is senior to the most senior CWO5.
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SGT John Lutes
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Warrants have always been an interesting situation in the Army. Some had command positions and some did not. Some were not as rigid as many commissioned officers about protocol when it came to saluting and others were. I was always of the mindset, it's best to salute if the rank structure commands it. I remember when we went from BDU caps to berets about 20 some odd years ago and I walked by a Major and didn't salute because I didn't notice his rank on his beret. I ran back and saluted once it registered. He didn't give me too hard a time but a senior NCO would have ripped me and made me push, as that's a senior NCO's mission in life, lol.
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SGT Bill Christian
SGT Bill Christian
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CW5 also affectionately known as the light saber or master Jedi rank...slow hand salute Mr. Baker
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CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin
CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin
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of course they should salute, especially in front of those they exercise authority over.
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CW5 Sam Baker
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It is an ABSOLUTE YES on all accounts, yes warrant officers are commissioned, but the rank structure still places me below a LT (who usually for some reason calls me "sir") and above the CSM. Some folks try to place field grade on warrants, no such animal, but then the new OER places us there on the OER. This here Army is a confusing beast at times, but all warrants will salute a LT and if not, beware if I am around. SMOKED is what you will be!

caveat....when my daughter graduates USNA in 2016 she will out rank me after 30 years of service on her first day!

**UPDATE** We are now covered in the Army Regulations as Field Grade for CW3/4 and Senior Field Grade for CW5 and we ALL still salute the 2LT!.
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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Dont mistake admin requirements for things like housing and several areas upper warrents are older and have been around a long time. So has a CSM rank for command items is differrent and as stated it is low to high, Enlisted,Warrant,commissioned officer O1-O11.
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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Addition to last. Department of Defense civilians get a placement rank for housinf and other privilages ut are not even in the chain of command bur some wil say they are equivilant to some military rank. only for certain priviledge like housing.
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SGT John Lutes
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Good statement, Chief. That's why you have hundreds of "thumbs up" and "no thumbs" down. I was stationed in Germany at a helicopter air base with lots of Warrants. It was hard for new soldiers or those not familiar with Warrants to know how they should be addressed. I think you definitely explained it well.
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WO1 Dave Middleton
WO1 Dave Middleton
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Unless it has changed, aWarrant is not a commissioned officer. His rank is through a warrant by the Sec of Army. It doesn’t take an act of congress to make a Warrant a gentleman. Off the flight line, stateside we saluted Lts. In Vietnam, only a fool would demand a salute, as it makes him a target of any VC watching (VC were in every crowd. One of the reasons they were not respected compared to NVA, who were good soldiers, but enemy)
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CW5 Command Chief Warrant Officer
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I saluted a 2LT on Thursday and he did not correct me. Case closed.
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SMSgt Ed Turney
SMSgt Ed Turney
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CPT William Jones, The Chief was being a smart ass, just like me.
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Col Charles Davis
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I always returned ALL salutes. Always salute a superior officer!
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CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin
CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin
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LCpl Rich Vail - i have seen this happen, and you are right he did not last long.
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SGT Jerry Ericsson
SGT Jerry Ericsson
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I did 8 years US Army back in the 1970's. One time I failed to salute a 2nd Lt. Got my heals locked, and ass chewed in front of my very pregnant wife as I was escorting her to the hospital to give birth to my daughter. That really pissed me off to no end, here I am, arm around my wife who is in full labor and on her way to deliver and this scrawny 2nd Lt chewes my ass as my wife has another contraction. That was the day I decided against re-enlisting.
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