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HA! Haahaaaaaaaa! Oh...wait. I think I actually peed a little. Be right back.

WTF are you talking about? Saluting and the greeting of the day are mandatory. MAN-DA-TORY. It's slop like this that is stripping the military out of the military. Why not let people wear what they want to duty? Wouldn't want to make them feel like less of a snowflake because they have to be subject to the oppression of wearing rank and looking like everyone else. It might bruise their precious ego that an emasculated society has provided them. There's a place for not saluting, it's in the field. They should have PLENTY of time to save their arm strength and pride when they are knee deep in mud and sweating through their uniform while forging something useful out of what society has provided to the military.

Not saluting...you just made my heart break a little inside, marine.
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Sgt Pete Kondrosky
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PFC Martin Potashner...
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Myself USAF 12/1964-10/1967 stateside...followed by 10/1967-10/1968 in S.E Asia, then my DD-214.

Unless the process has changed (which I DOUBT)...are you aware you DO salute (when YOU are in uniform) an UNDRAPED/UNCOVERED front bumper-mounted rank insignia, in 'liicense plate form, of the ranking office/occupant in the staff car?
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WO1 Ricardo Eva
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My dear Colonel: Maybe, just maybe, we could, from now on, just, as you propose, just wear anything we'd like. Maybe dress up as clowns and scare the enemy by looking like Pennywise (the clown) or having them think we are John Wayne Gacy...Maybe we'll have some just wearing underwear in FTX's...and PLEASE NO MORE DRILL AND CEREMONIES, NO MORE PT (This one's on me!) No more respecting our officers or elderly. From now on we will only have beach days, instead of FTX's, booze and have good old times for us to cherish instead of being a disciplined, strong force that will be able to defend our nation when we are called upon to act! PLEASE, DON'T EVER THINK THAT WE HAVE A MILITARY FORCE FOR DEFENSE!!!!
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WO1 Ricardo Eva
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WO1 Ricardo Eva - Oh, also, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE RIGHT HAND (AND IT´S ATTACHED ARM) IS USED ONLY FOR CONSUMPTION (E.G. BEER AND BOOZE) MAYBE FOR OTHER "TASKS" WHICH I WILL NOT DESCRIBE HERE OUT OF RESPECT FOR MY SUPERIORS, WHOM I PROUDLY SALUTE!, MY PEERS AND EVERYONE ELSE!
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WO1 Ricardo Eva
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SFC Bill Otinger - My dear E-7. first and foremost an impressive résumé, and, with such a background I am saddened that you seem to have such a dim view on basic military courtesy. As you, in my career both as enlisted and officer, I bumped into officers who really weren't worth their salt but it never precluded my saluting and showing the proper respect, even if I though they were underserving...
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Is this a joke? If it isn't, that old belief, "there are no stupid questions" was just completely disproved. And FYI-- as an enlisted person, I truly respect the role of our officers, however, I NEVER felt the need to "feel more included" with officers. #WTF
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PO2 Becky King
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Maybe I am not understanding your typos very well, but if you think there is zero tolerance for the MAGA concept, you have no idea what this country was founded on. It is the rebellion against government overreach, and the respect for the freedoms earned by those who have served and died for them, along with self-dignity that comes from the ability to live our lives, protect our own families/neighbors, and keep what we have worked hard for without having some politically-driven dirtbags direct our financial support (i.e. taxes) to appease their voters who think everything should be free because they are entitled to it. The only reason they would be entitled to it is if they, themselves, WORKED for it. Why is that so batshit crazy for some people to understand?
And no, I don't condone what happened on 06 Jan, just like most people with any ethics about them do. I honestly believe it was someone set up by the Democrats to infiltrate the event. Why? Because how in the hell would someone have access to the congressional offices AND computers, unless they had card access? I don't believe the media on any side; maybe you shouldn't either.
And calling people Trump loons is quite unbecoming of an officer, isn't it? and quite unprofessional. He was, after all, one of our Presidents, and isn't that against your "code" to bash a sitting or former President?
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PO2 Becky King
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CPT Chris McGowan - you mean Rivalrous Excludable, correct? That is what "qualified" citizens are receiving. Is that not true?
And your name-calling is still very beneath you- well, beneath your rank anyway.
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CPT Chris McGowan
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PO2 Becky King -

A: I am no longer serving in the Capacity of an officer. Of course I would not be talking like this if I was still on active duty. I spent 10 years serving under some highly conservative and (not entirely unrelated) ignorant senior leaders. I kept my mouth shut the entire time regarding my political opinions and mannerisms up and down the chain of command.

B: I am only now coming so aggressively against people such as yourself, whose ignorance is preventing INNOCENT people and children whose CIRCUMSTANCES have placed them in situations of unequal OPPORTUNITY. MY goal is equal OPPORTUNITY not equal OUTCOMES.

This should be ALL Americans goal as it is the ONLY way for people to truly be equal and born equal. Your position and viewpoint on taxes, whether you realize it or not, is a HIGHLY racist one designed as a poor excuse to prevent money being spent on minority communities DESPERATELY in need of it. Not as free hand outs; but as investments.

I have been studying these issues for decades and have tried to patiently and politely break down all the reasons this is true to many different people just like you. What I will get in return is a bunch of bullshit talking points from from Fox news, other biased sources, racist politicians, and other things based on general concepts but no actual data, misleading data, or just things made the hell up.

Have you looked at the numbers? Do you know that statistics? The Demographics? How much of your tax money actually goes where? Can you break it down into percentages? I can. And what you say makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE and yet your belief in what you say is ABSOLUTE while contributing to PEOPLE DYING ON THE STREETS and living lives of of oppression and being thrown unjustly in jail and having THEIR freedom taken away because of YOUR ignorance and PEOPLE LIKE YOU who don't want to take the time or effort to actually learn the truth of WTF you are talking about.

So, yes, I am angry. I am mad. I am pissed the fuck off after 40 years of life as an educated person dealing with people of your age who never learned the very basics of High School English research and opinion. You simply believe and spout the same bullshit you were heard growing up and/or hear on a propagandist news channel over and over that reinforces your per-conceived believes like they or you actually know some shit. You have never once in your life actually questioned whether you know truly know what you think you know. Just how ARROGANT is that?

The irony is you think *I* am the arrogant one. Let's get this straight: I have questioned myself and my beliefs MANY, MANY times in my life and arrive with the conviction I do now after MANY occasions of self doubt and course corrections. I do not come at you and others like this because *I* am right and *you* are wrong. I do because *I* have taken the time and effort to know what I am talking about and you have not. As in a LIFETIME of effort.

Do I make ASSUMPTIONS about you? Of course I do! Because I have enough EXPERIENCE with people who talk, act, and think identically to you. Trust me, you are NOT unique. Please do not come telling me what a jerk I am for making assumptions about you. That's usually the 'go-to' of people just like you, next. I am not claiming to know your family or the details of your personal relationships in your life....but your worldviews? Oh...I had those figured out the second I read "The only reason they would be entitled to it is if they, themselves, WORKED for it." Your worldviews are what other people manipulate via talking points they should be. You think it is a coincidence that is 'verbatim' among of list of things repeated over and over as an excuse to trick people like you into voting against sending help to minorities in need? Not 'lazy people'.....children starving and TIME NOW freezing to death. Here IN AMERICA. Bet you never hear about THOSE stories from your news sources. So, yes, I AM ANGRY.

Once, again, I am no longer wearing the uniform. That is the reason for the big (R) by my name. Were I active, of course I would not speak like this. Even as a professional, I only recently began talking like this. Why? Because nothing else works and any Trump supporter at this point is no longer a fellow countryman to me. They are just a legal citizen of the country currently living here that do not actually believe in this countries true values. They *THINK* they do. Like you *THINK* you do. But you do not.

There are three kinds Americans. Educated ones trying to do the right thing. Educated ones out to do the wrong thing and uneducated ones being manipulated by the ones out doing the wrong thing. This is not my 'opinion' this is 'facts'.

If you do not understand that you are one of the useful idiots to the educated malcontents in the latter category and, in a odd way, I'm angriest at y'all more than them because I grew up with you and know you just CHOSE not to give a fuck about anything outside your bubble when you when you were younger and so never learned how the world really worked as you matured despite being afforded every opportunity too.

C: Seriously, you're going down the grammar route? The last, desperate, defense of an argumentative fool? This is an internet forum, not an academic or credentialed submission peer group. While I'll grant you I should have remembered to proof read the last post, don't mistake proper grammar usage for intelligence.

You SHOULD finish reading this feeling insulted. I insulted you. You can take it like a Woman/Man, do some self reflection (and RESEARCH!) and ask your self if their is some actual merit it to (nobody ever asked me how the weather is 'down here' because I'm not short....) or you can 'huff and puff' and just get mad and perform some cognitive dissonance to make yourself feel better.

My world won't change either way. Yours might. And maybe one day all of ours will. Then we can go after the REAL problem...wealth inequality and the people who intentionally have You and I arguing with each other so that we aren't both looking at them and going WTF?!
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CPT Chris McGowan
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PO2 Becky King -

RE: Rivlalrous/Excludable They have nothing to do with 'qualified' or 'unqualified' anything or 'Welfare' if that was your assumption (I don't know if it was). It has to do with economic systems/ IN laymen s terms:

Rivalrous: We are competing for it. Either you get it, or I get it....we cannot both have it: You get the house, or I get the house
Non-Rivalrous: We can both Have it. I can have some trees, and you can have some trees:
Excludable: Goods and services meant to serve part of society.
Non-Excludable: Goods and services meant to serve ALL of society

This breaks down into the examples showing the attached image and is all about how economist believe societies should be economically run to be most moral AND efficient.

Rivalrous/Excludable such as Houses?: Privatized Economy
Non-Rivalrous/Excludable such as the Movie Theaters?: Privatized Economy
Rivalrous/Non-Excludable such as Oil/Gas/Wood?: Privatized Economy
Non-Rivalrous/Non-Excludable such as The military, police, roads, HOSPITALS, PRISONS, fire departments, utilities, AIRLINES: Public Economy.

This is not theory. For a whole host of reasons from economic efficiency to morality this is KNOWN to be the best why for societies to MIX their economies. It is called a MIXED economy.

Bad actors know, however, that Privatizing Non-Rivalrous/Non-Excludable goods such as Hostpitals and Prisons and Utilities can be VERY VERY profitable for them AT THE EXPENSE of the well being of society.

This is why for the past 40 years conservatives have been manipulating the really religious people and the racist people on the right wing for the past 40 years.....so that they they can get their vote in order to Privatize prisons, Airlines, Utilities, and keep hospitals privatized.

This has all happened in MY LIFETIME other than healthcare with the lie that privatization and capitalism is ALWAYS good. They KNEW it was not.

They STARTED to privatize the Army (Remember Blackwater) until they finally went to far with murder Iraq's and the 2nd Iraq War.

THIS is why Americas economy no longer works for the working people. Why do you think despite owning ALL THREE parts of government TWICE the GOP never once passed any serious anti-abortion laws or overturned Roe v Wade? All MAGA and the uneducated are/ were useful idiots to get their ECONOMIC agenda passed which is 100% designed to funnel wealth from the PUBLIC Domain to the PRIVATE domain of a very few people who have become almost Godlike in wealth over the last 20 years.

As for us 'eve' progressives like me, AOC, 'The Squad', TYT.com? We are not 'socialist' (Yes, I wish they would take the word out of the party name). We ONLY want to socialize Non-Rivalous/Non-Excludable Goods as THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

Not the rest of it. But if you listen to Fox News and the rest they'd have you believe we were running around with a bloody Sickle trying to have the Government become in charge of manufacturing which T-Shirt you were going to wear tomorrow.

So why am I so angry? I am so angry because I understand ALL OF THIS. And I try to explain it professionally and nicely. Any yet people like you STILL WON'T LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

You will come back at me with some silly ass, one line, talking point argument that makes no fucking sense that just makes me want to just blow my brains out (Figuratively). When ultimatley...I am TRYING TO HELP YOU, TOO!

Heck, I don't even need the economic help. Why do you think I have enough time on my hands to spend writing on this forum? I am 41 years old and do not work. With my retirements, investments and knowledge of admittedly UNFAIR advantages I get for already having wealth to become even wealthier I am doing just fine. I get richer every day by not dying. Then even richer after than when I do. I just got a new bed. I ordered one on Amazon. It is awesome.

Some factory workers and TRANSPO peoples making shit wages worked together shitting in bags because they don't have enough time to take breaks made sure it got here in 3 days . The Bed is AMAZING! My wife wanted it for the spare bedroom we have for the guest that we never have. The bed was an impulse buy.

Is that fair? I don't think so. I think we should change some things so that those people shipping me my mattress can unionize to at least bargain to get enough time on break to crap in a toilet. Even if it means that Mattress cost a bit more. I don't even recall how much it cost now.

I also want it to be illegal for that mattress to be made of something that might cause me cancers.


My point?: Yes, I also believe that to SOME DEGREE private business should also be regulated. At least to the point where, you know, they aren't selling us things that will kill us. At least without telling us they will kills.

i.e. Whenever you here politicians and Fox News shills talking about 'BIG GOVERNMENT" and" De-regulate for more efficiency" they are REALLY saying "Let companies poison you to save money if they want".

What do you think is MORE dangerous? A government that is accountable to the people that is too big and powerful, or a private corporation accountable to its shareholders that is too big and powerful? Currently private corporations are far more powerful than our government as they own our politicians...on BOTH sides.

I hate MSNBC and the Democrats, as well, but just haven't seen as much point in discussing that aspect with you as we are in agreement. Pelosi is corrupt as hell. Wanna know why EVERYBODY hates Bernie Sanders, AOC, and 'the squad' in Washington AND on the Mainstreams news/Fox? Cause they are ONE group trying to do the right thing.

Ok. I just realized this second half I went off on a late night rant. If you actually read it...thanks. I don't hate you. I just this country, I see it falling apart, and I know why it is....and sadly it really *is* because of people like you not understanding things I wish you would. Take care.
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If the junior members are feeling undermined and not included it's because they don't have an understanding of the custom. It is an exchange of respect initiated by the junior, reciprocated by the senior. Seniors are just as responsible for returning a salute as juniors are for giving one.

On a related note enlisted should not feel embarrassed when accidentally saluting another enlisted member either.
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CWO4 Thomas Marshall - That is accurate.
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PO2 Jay Stotler
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The big thing is why didn’t they get the help they asked for? Who ever made that call is on the wrong side, those officers and military personal were setup and the person that delaid their help needs to be punished if nothing else let’s put him against a wall and let all those he failed to help ,lock and load with rubber bullets just don’t let them know they are rubber.Maybe when they feel the sting and hear the bang they will know what those defending the capital felt like!
Sorry I sound a bit crude but some times it works.
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PO2 Christopher Harvell
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That happened to me once, and honestly I'm still confused as to what actually happened. A chief RDC came into our berthing compartment with an officer, I challenged them and the chief told me to drop because I saluted his ensign first.
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Lt Col Steve Bonning
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That's a big IF, and perhaps only supported by Snowflakes who are supporters of Time Out cards
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