Posted on Jun 17, 2020
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For my entire career, I was told that you do not wear headgear with the combatives or combat focused PT uniform. Combat focused uniform being OCP top stripped of insignia, OCP pants, undershirt, belt, green/black socks, and running shoes. Every Thursday we wear the combat focused uniform for PT. Today, I was told by someone I didn't know that headgear must be worn when PT is not being conducted. This was after we completed PT and were on our way back to our barracks. I can't find anything in AR 670-1 that clarifies this specific situation.
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SSG Nathan S.
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Edited 7 mo ago
There may be a regulation, but to be honest I'm not aware of it. The uniform guidance for such situations usually comes from the 1SG. I know anytime we wore our uniforms (BDU, ACU, OCP) for activities during PT such as Combatives or Ruck marches, we never wore headgear. In any unit I was in and conducted those activities. Follow the guidance from your 1SG and leadership, and anyone having an issue with it you should respectfully refer to your 1SG or Commander and drive on.

This includes our return to the barracks or to our POV to head home once dismissed from PT to clean up and eat etc after before reporting back in for work call.
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I was thinking the same thing, and this individual told me to read AR 670-1. Which, I have already done multiple times. Though I've had people "quote" regulations that they themselves are unfamiliar with in the past. Thanks for the insight.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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SSG Nathan S. SPC (Join to see) - I always said that if they didn't have the policy letter or the regulation on them then is was my duty to find a solution and under my authority as an NCO to make a decision. Then if I outranked them I asked why they hadn't complied to the platoon's obvious duty uniform since everyone else present was doing so.
If the person outranked me but was equal or lower rank than my CO I would inform him that the CO was aware of our uniform, that they should contact him.
If they were a higher rank than my CO, I would say, "Yes Sir" then correct it to what they said (hard to do if you're not at the barracks) if I was able. I would also inform the person that I would pass their correction on to my CO.
I don't believe any one ever contacted my CO. At least no CO told me about it if it did happen. I had some real decent commanders.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley The person who told us this, did not identify himself. He was also in winter PTs, so I have no idea who he was. The funny part to me was that he himself was not AR 670-1 compliant.
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The commander dictates the uniform. There is no such thing as a combative uniform, the uniform used for combatives is a modification of other uniforms. When I joined and it was still Combatives and not MACP, the uniform was brown t shirt, BDU top, ranger panties, and sneakers. Obviously that’s no type of uniform either, it’s a modification designated by the commander.

If you had worn your headgear someone else would have told you that you should be wearing patches and boots. One guy who was a prior drill told me that you couldn’t wear your hat without your gloves. Point is, people will always spit some BS reg they’re sure they heard. It’s incumbent on them to prove where it came from and not on you to disprove it. Hitchens Razor: what can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence
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Well said SFC!
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Ask your squad leader and PSG what uniform is, tell them people from other units are challenging you and you need further guidance. Your Commander can command you to wear the uniform how they want you to wear it. You just need to make sure what the commander intended.
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