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Some people just shake their head when they see the news headlines, scroll past it, or lose their mind and share with the world. I would like to think deep down we all really do care about exposing phonies especially when they are wrongfully receiving benefits that the deserving need. There is a chain reaction that could be talked about forever on how the phonies hinder the process for veterans.
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I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable with this culture of SMs or Vets walking up to people and demanding proof of service. Lately there were two threads about 75 year old vets getting publicly humiliated by other vets. In one case the vet ( or maybe it was a soldier) wouldn't even believe the vets VA card, claiming anyone could print one out.

So that got me thinking how I would respond if someone saw me wearing either military related awards or badges on Veterans Day or say military badge related hats or Tshirts, and came up and started asking me questions. The truth is, in this day of identity theft and scams, I would probably politely tell that guy to f--k off. I sure as hell would never feel like I owe it to any stranger that walks up to me to produce my military ID card and DD214. Really, who the f--k do these people think they are?

This is the United States. I don't have to respond to "your papers please" from anybody, much less some soldier with a hair up his ass.

And as pissed as that would make me, I can't imagine how my dad would have responded when he was 75 if some twenty something "kid" walked up to him and basically demanded that he, a WWII and Korean War vet, prove to this stranger he is authorized to wear his CIB with star. Even at age 75, he would probably try and fight the guy.

So this whole blood sport of confronting and videoing and humiliating people just because they may be wearing a badge wrong has got to stop. It's unprofessional and unAmerican. As I said, I don't have to tell you where I went to basic, what Ranger School Class I was in, or anything else. It's none of your f--king business. You're a damn total stranger to me. Hell, I have no way of knowing if you are even a soldier yourself. So get out of my face and keep your vigilante bullshit away from me or my dad, or others like us. I'd rather a thousand clowns walk down the street in costume than one vet be humiliated by someone who probably hasn't served a fraction of the time the vet did.

There are laws about actually stealing goods or services by impersonating vets. Leave that to the stores. If they give military discounts to people without requiring appropriate ID cards or documentation, that's their mistake. IMO vets should stay in their lane and stop confronting people.
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SFC Larry Jacobs
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Stolen Valor is not a new thing there are still whole units who's valor's have been stolen
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PV2 Glenn E Moody
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I couldn't have said it any better my self. sometimes we older vet's forget things like ware to put that weapon's badge on your veteran's uniform. just this Sunday 11/10/2019 at the Veteran Day ceremony we saw a fellow Veteran with his weapon badge on the wrong spot we told him we fixed it on the spot. we didn't call him out because the vet that saw it served with him. throughout your Military service you could be attached to any unit that needs body's to fill the numbers needed for the mission. as I was attached from my infantry unit to A Mech Infantry unit to fill the numbers needed for Reforger to GERMANY from here in MA. in the USA. just as in combat if things get messed up & air drop landings don't work out you may end up with other units. you all have the same mission take the objective. so long story short if some young full of piss and vinegar comes up to me and says my uniform is out dated that's because it is what I was issued when I served in 1980's BDU's with black leather boots so stay out of my face with your stolen valor bull shit or someone is going to get hurt PERIOD
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Personally, I think people who claim they were in the service have mental health problems and should probably be urged to seek help. I don't believe they should be ridiculed as it possibly will worsen whatever mental condition they have.
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I seriously believe the actions of these folks pulling stunts such as making videos of SV cases has become a toxic plaque. I have watched many videos and am ashamed by their actions taken, the way they go about is all very unprofessional. I can imagine how may other veterans shutter in disbelief at the behavior of the these few.
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SFC (Join to see) It's not that I don't care, SFC. It's that I'd rather let 10 fake fuckers wear their fake rewards, than to (wrongly) accost one single vet that was legit.
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PVT Joseph Thornton
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I have a lot of respect for Greg. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
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SPC Scott Wyland
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MSG Richard Loden - Come to think of it, I vaguely recall encountering a Spec5 or two. Those were more in the MOS's such as cook or mechanic. No one in combat MOS's such as infantry, tanker, artillery, combat engineer etc. were specialists beyond E-4 when I served.
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SPC Kathy Crouch
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I served from 1974-1978 in the Army. I was a SPC 4. Trained in POL the closest I got to it was at a military gas station. The rest of the time I worked various forms of supply. My husband used to go to Germany in the early 70s for Reforger. I mention that and most people look at me and ask what was that? I was married when I joined, at my husband's urging. At my ETS I flew back to the states from Germany and processed out. Stayed home a few months, then flew back as a civilian to rejoin my husband. I have surviving spouse ID card and some pictures. I had my DD214 but I seem to have misplaced it.
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SPC 25 N10
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You are indeed correct, SFC there are a lot of veterans from Vietnam and other wars that don't follow or are too familiar with proper regulations.
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I care, but I care more about the Constitution than my own feelings. We can't say "we're a free country, but you can't say or wear those things because it offends me." I'm just not a fan making laws that ban citizens from wearing certain symbols when there are groups of people offended by those symbols. It sounds contrary to everything we serve for.

Now if people want to expose phonies, I'm all for it. Let them be judged by the public.

When it comes to fraud, there are plenty of existing fraud laws to cover those cases. Those who commit fraud should be prosecuted under fraud laws.
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LCpl William Lediard
LCpl William Lediard
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I agree with you, I am a veteran who also have been confronted about my service
I think its shame when this happens particularly when the person has never served a day but is reaping the benafits of those who have served and given so much for this country, it's a fucking shame
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SGT Andrew Brooks
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I'm with you on this, but there is a drastic root problem that I don't know how to untangle, and that is we (our 'culture') has allowed to come into being (and thereafter into law) a sort of double meaning for the word offensive. Now the definition not only means 'to attack' but also 'to feel as if attacked'! These are two different things, yet we are treating situations that aren't attacks as if they were, because someone cried they were offended. I don't see how America can do anything but decline until we get rid of this infantile emotional wrangling and return to meaningful language
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CPO Mark Bell
CPO Mark Bell
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I'm a disabled veteran. It is ashamed that some people feel they need to "pretend" they are a veteran. From my observation that type of impersonation came popular about the time we started giving "trophies to to losers as well as winners" (Everyone gets a trophy). The current generation feels entitled to things they have not earned, have not paid for, and never could. Maybe we have been to easy on our youngsters. As I said, I'm a disabled veteran (18 years now). I recently moved from Wyoming to the Colorado Grasslands. I live 114 miles from the nearest doctor. Tricare informed me I would be dropped because I live to far from a doctor. Why can't I live where I want and still have Tricare? Yet, there are undocumented people in our area who are getting care paid for by our government. Let the pretenders pretend, they will find it is better to pretend to be an illegal immigrant or criminal, they are better taken care of. Well, I guess America does not care about us veterans very much anymore. It is a sad day but I'd serve all over again to protect this great country that I love. God bless the USA!
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SGT Dan Gray exactly. It’s not a crime ( although disgraceful), to dress up and claim to be a vet. It’s another to mis-represent yourself for achieving medals/awards etc for fame/monetary goods etc. That is what the definition of stolen valor that is a federal crime.
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