Toxic Leadership
Toxic Leadership
Posted on May 31, 2017
Pregnant soldiers forced to train in field, results in stillborns
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Pregnant soldiers forced to train in field, results in stillborns
Posted from armywtfmoments.com
Fort Johnson
Pregnancy
Leadership
Toxic Leadership
Posted 7 y ago
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Can I be honest here? As a leader, if there isn't paper and the SM isn't showing, how am I going to know? Granted 2nd and 3rd trimester it should be obvious and there should be some sort of pre-natal medical paperwork that has been filed. So, if there is paper and they made them go anyway, then they should all be CM'd.
But, in reality, I left on deployment, and had a sailor that didn't respond truthfully to the pre-deployment screening. She had no medical appointments since conception prior to deployment. We left on deployment and a couple of weeks into it, she came to use telling us she was pregnant. Doc ran a test, and it was +. We had to divert, and were down a sailor for most of the deployment because she lied on the pre-deployment forms.
So, if there is paperwork the command is at fault, but it is also dependent upon the SM's being truthful about the condition.
But, in reality, I left on deployment, and had a sailor that didn't respond truthfully to the pre-deployment screening. She had no medical appointments since conception prior to deployment. We left on deployment and a couple of weeks into it, she came to use telling us she was pregnant. Doc ran a test, and it was +. We had to divert, and were down a sailor for most of the deployment because she lied on the pre-deployment forms.
So, if there is paperwork the command is at fault, but it is also dependent upon the SM's being truthful about the condition.
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Yup every female that went on the deployment was tested. They lined us all up the day before we departed. If she knew she was pregnant and lied about it she should be in trouble! As a female the possibility of getting preggo is always there unless you have some kind of medical intervention. She should have been an adult about it and explained what happened before hand.
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LT Brad McInnis
MSgt (Join to see) - Wow, I still can't believe that, although what you did versus what I did was very different. We were afforded time to take care of things. FOr the record, I never had a problem with life things that ever came up, regardless of what they are, as long as the sailors gave us some kind of heads up so we could plan.
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LT Brad McInnis
SSG (Verify To See) - The Navy does things a little differently. On my cruise (which I recently found out was the last before the rules changed) there was no mandatory testing. It was all based on verbal assurances. Which, in this case bit us in the behind...
I hope i didn't give you the impression that I had a problem with the policy. I had a problem with the leaders making these women go, when they obviously shouldn't have. To me, that is a failure in leadership (planning, execution). No, in my entire career, that one incident that I talked about was the only "female" problem that I ever faced. I have seen many women that met or exceeded the standards and were much better than I ever was (including my ex-wife) !
I hope i didn't give you the impression that I had a problem with the policy. I had a problem with the leaders making these women go, when they obviously shouldn't have. To me, that is a failure in leadership (planning, execution). No, in my entire career, that one incident that I talked about was the only "female" problem that I ever faced. I have seen many women that met or exceeded the standards and were much better than I ever was (including my ex-wife) !
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LT Brad McInnis
SSG (Verify To See) - No, bigger ships can handle that. Smaller ships medical facilities are nothing more than a glorified closet.
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If leadership knowingly took pregnant soldiers into the field they are wrong and could have cuases the deaths of these babies. People go on profile for a reason.
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