Posted on Nov 2, 2014
CSM sentenced for wearing/claiming fake medals. What do you think of his penalty?
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So I was perusing Army Times and saw this little Gem:
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months
From the article:
Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.
Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?
I will reserve my comments for now.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months
From the article:
Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.
Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?
I will reserve my comments for now.
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Prison is not the place for idiots like this. They deserve an old fashioned defrocking - stand them up in front of a formation, pull off their rank and cover and throw them to the ground then send them and their career packing. If this ass-wipe cared about his family he should have kept his integrity in tact for their sake, not use them as tools during his trial and sentencing. Under UCMJ there should be a standard punishment for this type of offense, regardless of rank. No way should anyone be allowed to keep their full retirement benefits at their current rank. Active SMs posing, IMHO is the worst type of crime as it insults everyone in uniform.
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SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas That is the part that pains me the most is the family and it is hard to see a person lose so much when we have idiots raping our own veterans.
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SSG Robin Rushlo
Your wrong I would may them go through 8 weeks of Infantry basic and then get a BCD .
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SPC Derrick Backstrom
Excellent response. I feel the exact same way. They disgrace all of us publicly with this garbage.
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I really do hate this "leniency for my family" plea that gets handed out like candy to seniors. He screwed the pooch and his recommendation if it had been one of his subordinates over the years would have been to throw the book at him.
He needed to lose everything to send the message that "owning up" at the sentencing is too late to accept responsibility for something you never should have done.
He needed to lose everything to send the message that "owning up" at the sentencing is too late to accept responsibility for something you never should have done.
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CPT Robert Skinner
MAJ Carl Ballinger - Sir, with all do respect, your comment is not factual or accurate, senior leaders continue to get treated lighter or have preferential treatment. I can name a few off the top of my head, Brig Gen Sinclair who was having sex with a subordinate officer! General Kidd AFRICOM commander, abused his position, falsified documents, expense paid for a lie. The final one is a Brigade Commander in Germany, Colonel James Johnson III, 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team, ... an affair with an Iraqi woman, spends some $27,000 on "gifts" for his mistress.
You know what all three have in common? Not one loss their retirement, not one went to jail, not one, had it been an E-7 he/she would of been in jail, reduced to a private, and a dishonorable discharge. The facts again support my statements based on factual data produced monthly by the Army times.
I had a TAC once tell me "perception is reality", my perception is, routinely senior officer have gotten off lightly in comparison to their enlisted counterparts. This is backed up by recent factual evidence properly displayed in military times magazines etc. I can continue giving you examples, but I'm sure you've your mind made up by your perception.
Mount Up!
Rob Skinner
You know what all three have in common? Not one loss their retirement, not one went to jail, not one, had it been an E-7 he/she would of been in jail, reduced to a private, and a dishonorable discharge. The facts again support my statements based on factual data produced monthly by the Army times.
I had a TAC once tell me "perception is reality", my perception is, routinely senior officer have gotten off lightly in comparison to their enlisted counterparts. This is backed up by recent factual evidence properly displayed in military times magazines etc. I can continue giving you examples, but I'm sure you've your mind made up by your perception.
Mount Up!
Rob Skinner
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CPT Robert Skinner
Maj, you're Right? You know what makes me mad, is that it is hard to remain professional, that no matter what evidence you present officers like yourself, you disregard the evidence!
That is why I went into law, and hopefully I get to prosecute every officer that doesn't respect the the law. I feel, I preserve the duty and respect that is expected of a private let alone an officer in the United States Military!
General MacArthur stated Duty, Honor, Country!
In my opinion, Sir, you're part of the problem, and why it continues in today's military and why enlisted men hate officers.
That is why I went into law, and hopefully I get to prosecute every officer that doesn't respect the the law. I feel, I preserve the duty and respect that is expected of a private let alone an officer in the United States Military!
General MacArthur stated Duty, Honor, Country!
In my opinion, Sir, you're part of the problem, and why it continues in today's military and why enlisted men hate officers.
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MSgt Lowell Skelton
CPT Robert Skinner SGT James LeFebvre You might find it interesting to Google the former Major. Yes, CPT, he WAS part of the problem.
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Are you kidding me? He wore fake badges. I've seen people make false statements and ruin careers and get nothing. Demote him and retire him a SSG. But giving him jail time over this is dumb. I know there are a lot of people out there doing things like this, but jail time is too much. I'm sure he has done some great stuff in his past. Pencil pushing garbage! It's all of us that make a big deal about badges. A badge or award doesn't make you a great leader!
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Oh and I might add the guys with major problems as well. One kid who was maybe an A1C was kind of a lost soul. I saw him humiliated but my door in the barracks was always open and I was an E-5. Sometimes you have to listen and not project your opinion and let people resolve their problems with supportive backup when they are most lonely. One aspect of the news media today is a scorched earth policy with destroying further a person already emotionally and esteem-wise broken. When do we start taking responsibility of our own shortcomings rather than beat a dead horse because we can.
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Sgt Thomas Sheffield
No a chest full of medals and badges are not what makes you a great leader, but leading by example, integrity, honor, respect, etc. does. when you wear something on your uniform that you didn't earn like the ones that did is disrespectful, and a downright slap in the face. That is NOT leadership traits.
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SSG Ronald Rollins
The big problem with SOME of todays so called leaders if that they feel they have to have more awards than their soldiers and anyone else. I have seen E4s with more awards than some E7s. Dont know why. I never cared to ask. But if they were my Soldier I always checked their ERB. If I had a question I would talk to them directly and in private. No need to cause a problem if I were wrong. Ask for verification. Had a Specialist with 10 (yes 10!) AAMs. I was told to write him up. I asked him for proof and he had it. Had soome angry folks but if they are right they are right. Always check first before jumping off on someone. You may be wrong.
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SGM John Barnett
CSMs and SGMs make up roughly 1 to 2 percent of the entire Army. What he did was a total betrayal to those that served under him, he betrayed his family, his oath to Constitutions and the country. Sorry guy and gals, but after serving time, he should walk out of the Army with what he had when he came in, absolutely nothing.
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