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I have a thought. I think they should change the regulations on authorizing single ncos and single senior ncos bah.
Should be fair across the board no favoritism due to rank.
An 18 year old who gets married gets to live off post. But a late 20s early 30s spc to Sgt has to live in the barracks bjt a single staff Sgt and above can live off post. Especially when you have soldiers coming in to the military in there 30s. Who had there own place before but now stuck in the lovely B's hell the PJ'S are better. At least a single person in the pj's lowest of low standing living can have a gf/bf stay over night. But not in the B's
Let's talk about moral on that.
And equality.
Or how easy it is for a single female to live off post because she gets pregnant.
I thing if your married and have a child you can live in the barracks too. It's just like a single apt and civilians do it.
Why make an exception then wounder why soldiers do the wrong thing.
If I get pregnant I can not only skip deployment but also live off post. We won't even get in to age on that.
What are we telling our soldier that rank creates exception to the rule
That gender creates exception to the rule.
To go get married mess up your life. Because most marriages end up in divorce even for ncos. So yeah mess up your financial life.
Don't worry the army is here for you just reenlist. Or they get out in more debt then they came in with all because getting out the barracks.
Let's not talk about bas. 18 year old married fat slob of a soldiers that can barely meet standards. But late 20s to early or late 30s single soldiers who are more physically fit who buy and make there own food and don't eat at the dfec but are forced to have bas deducted anyway.
How dose that effect moral and mission readiness
These are topics I feel need to be discussed that I hear about often.
But are really blown away.
I think change needs to be focused there more so then grooming standards of hair earrings and nails.
When even that is gender bias focused on easing and bettering regs for female to be more comfortable but disregard anyone else that a focus is currently on.
Hell then we can talk about out dated regs like ht and wt standards lol.
Please don't bash me for speaking my as well as my soldiers truth.
Just getting it out there.
Would love to hear other people's views.
If we are to focus on change. We need to be proactive and not reactive. Like we are on changes from grooming standards cause females are losing hair.
Or sharp eo suicide and substance abuse.
The only proactive I see is more regs or restrictions.
But I still see violations so even those don't do much.
Thats why we need to be proactive on how we create environments. If this is quote a new army.
When it comes to improving environments.
Should be fair across the board no favoritism due to rank.
An 18 year old who gets married gets to live off post. But a late 20s early 30s spc to Sgt has to live in the barracks bjt a single staff Sgt and above can live off post. Especially when you have soldiers coming in to the military in there 30s. Who had there own place before but now stuck in the lovely B's hell the PJ'S are better. At least a single person in the pj's lowest of low standing living can have a gf/bf stay over night. But not in the B's
Let's talk about moral on that.
And equality.
Or how easy it is for a single female to live off post because she gets pregnant.
I thing if your married and have a child you can live in the barracks too. It's just like a single apt and civilians do it.
Why make an exception then wounder why soldiers do the wrong thing.
If I get pregnant I can not only skip deployment but also live off post. We won't even get in to age on that.
What are we telling our soldier that rank creates exception to the rule
That gender creates exception to the rule.
To go get married mess up your life. Because most marriages end up in divorce even for ncos. So yeah mess up your financial life.
Don't worry the army is here for you just reenlist. Or they get out in more debt then they came in with all because getting out the barracks.
Let's not talk about bas. 18 year old married fat slob of a soldiers that can barely meet standards. But late 20s to early or late 30s single soldiers who are more physically fit who buy and make there own food and don't eat at the dfec but are forced to have bas deducted anyway.
How dose that effect moral and mission readiness
These are topics I feel need to be discussed that I hear about often.
But are really blown away.
I think change needs to be focused there more so then grooming standards of hair earrings and nails.
When even that is gender bias focused on easing and bettering regs for female to be more comfortable but disregard anyone else that a focus is currently on.
Hell then we can talk about out dated regs like ht and wt standards lol.
Please don't bash me for speaking my as well as my soldiers truth.
Just getting it out there.
Would love to hear other people's views.
If we are to focus on change. We need to be proactive and not reactive. Like we are on changes from grooming standards cause females are losing hair.
Or sharp eo suicide and substance abuse.
The only proactive I see is more regs or restrictions.
But I still see violations so even those don't do much.
Thats why we need to be proactive on how we create environments. If this is quote a new army.
When it comes to improving environments.
Posted 3 y ago
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People forget that the Army costs money and isn't a Welfare program. The taxpayers pay our BAH and if every junior Soldier receives BAH the military would be broke. Placing Soldiers in paid for barracks allows the Army to house Soldiers at an affordable rate.
Let's look at the reality of the situation, financial competition, if you will. You are an unskilled worker who has received not just free, but paid, training, as well as housing and food. I challenge you to find a similarly competitive job offering for entry level, inexperienced, uneducated, workers. Plus 100% paid Healthcare for yourself, free dental, free vision with glasses, free board, and food. Oh, plus 30 days paid vacation a year, retirement with a pension, and as much unlimited paid sick leave a year as you ever need. You can literally be on AD for a year just getting paid and taking care of your medical appointments.
Let's talk about family coverage. $30 a month for dental, about the same for $400k life insurance, plus another $100k death gratuity immediately paid for the funeral if you die. Your spouse continues to receive your paycheck, plus any promotions you would have received. Your children go to college for free if you die. If your child gets sick while you are in Tricare the catastrophic cap is very low. Your extremely expensive medical care will be covered. If you don't use your GI Bill you can pass it on to your dependents. Speaking of dependents, if you are separated because of work, like a tour to Korea, the Army will still pay for their housing.
But let's get away from dependents because this is all about you. You have 15 SH of PAID college a year. 100% paid, nothing owed to the Army. No civilian company does that. If college isn't for you, then there's Credentialing assistance that pays for civilian credentials you might need after you transition. Guaranteed pay increase for inflation every year, and an increase every other year.
As for height and weight, it's not an outdated regulation. It's the most reasonable application. Think of the other options... Calipers, bod pod, electric resistance, submersion... Calipers are more precise but require training. If you think that people do tape measuring wrong then Calipers are even easier to mess up. Electrical resistance is wildly variable based on your hydration level. Bod pod and submersion are very accurate but expensive and only available at a handful of locations. Before you say BMI, BMI is not equal to BF% and is only used for screening out who doesn't need BF testing. If you have a better alternative, please present it. It needs to be accurate, and able to be used with minimal training by deployed units with minimal equipment.
BAS isn't deducted. It's an allowance. You aren't losing your BAS because you were never authorized it. But on the good side the Army is looking to an alternative where you pay for what you eat like the AF does.
As for your comment about pregnancy, well that's literally stupid. I understand the other complaints, it's understandable. But to think that people are just getting pregnant with lifelong mistakes of children so they can avoid a few months of discomfort... That's just idiotic. While I know that a very small percentage of women have done just that, they aren't "getting away" with anything. Anyone who believes that it's cheaper to have a baby than deploy will have to deal with ACTUALLY having a baby and being a parent. It's not a get out of jail free card and it's not easy. I was a single parent for years and that was exhausting. I can't imagine actually being pregnant, giving birth, post birth, chasing kids till they can go to school AND being in the Army full time.
Let's look at the reality of the situation, financial competition, if you will. You are an unskilled worker who has received not just free, but paid, training, as well as housing and food. I challenge you to find a similarly competitive job offering for entry level, inexperienced, uneducated, workers. Plus 100% paid Healthcare for yourself, free dental, free vision with glasses, free board, and food. Oh, plus 30 days paid vacation a year, retirement with a pension, and as much unlimited paid sick leave a year as you ever need. You can literally be on AD for a year just getting paid and taking care of your medical appointments.
Let's talk about family coverage. $30 a month for dental, about the same for $400k life insurance, plus another $100k death gratuity immediately paid for the funeral if you die. Your spouse continues to receive your paycheck, plus any promotions you would have received. Your children go to college for free if you die. If your child gets sick while you are in Tricare the catastrophic cap is very low. Your extremely expensive medical care will be covered. If you don't use your GI Bill you can pass it on to your dependents. Speaking of dependents, if you are separated because of work, like a tour to Korea, the Army will still pay for their housing.
But let's get away from dependents because this is all about you. You have 15 SH of PAID college a year. 100% paid, nothing owed to the Army. No civilian company does that. If college isn't for you, then there's Credentialing assistance that pays for civilian credentials you might need after you transition. Guaranteed pay increase for inflation every year, and an increase every other year.
As for height and weight, it's not an outdated regulation. It's the most reasonable application. Think of the other options... Calipers, bod pod, electric resistance, submersion... Calipers are more precise but require training. If you think that people do tape measuring wrong then Calipers are even easier to mess up. Electrical resistance is wildly variable based on your hydration level. Bod pod and submersion are very accurate but expensive and only available at a handful of locations. Before you say BMI, BMI is not equal to BF% and is only used for screening out who doesn't need BF testing. If you have a better alternative, please present it. It needs to be accurate, and able to be used with minimal training by deployed units with minimal equipment.
BAS isn't deducted. It's an allowance. You aren't losing your BAS because you were never authorized it. But on the good side the Army is looking to an alternative where you pay for what you eat like the AF does.
As for your comment about pregnancy, well that's literally stupid. I understand the other complaints, it's understandable. But to think that people are just getting pregnant with lifelong mistakes of children so they can avoid a few months of discomfort... That's just idiotic. While I know that a very small percentage of women have done just that, they aren't "getting away" with anything. Anyone who believes that it's cheaper to have a baby than deploy will have to deal with ACTUALLY having a baby and being a parent. It's not a get out of jail free card and it's not easy. I was a single parent for years and that was exhausting. I can't imagine actually being pregnant, giving birth, post birth, chasing kids till they can go to school AND being in the Army full time.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
AND, they are putting their lives on the line.
Let's REALLY look at the reality of the situation. This is NOT a Welfare program. This is a sacrifice WE put our selves out there for. I would like to let you know how ignorant and ridiculous your comment is.
A civilian is not expected to go into a War zone at a moment's notice and potentially lay their lives on the line. The only comparisons are Police, Firefighters and Emergency responders. Who ALSO get more than 14 days paid vacation each year, of course NONE of them are required to use their vacation days for Holidays, or weekends, think about that. I would think an Active Duty E7 would have a little bit of a clue about that.
Let's REALLY look at the reality of the situation. This is NOT a Welfare program. This is a sacrifice WE put our selves out there for. I would like to let you know how ignorant and ridiculous your comment is.
A civilian is not expected to go into a War zone at a moment's notice and potentially lay their lives on the line. The only comparisons are Police, Firefighters and Emergency responders. Who ALSO get more than 14 days paid vacation each year, of course NONE of them are required to use their vacation days for Holidays, or weekends, think about that. I would think an Active Duty E7 would have a little bit of a clue about that.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett I'm not really sure what you're getting at. I literally said the Army is not a welfare program. I highlighted all the financial benefits the Army already provides because he said its not fair that lower ranks don't get BAH and that married people with children should live in the barracks.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
SFC (Join to see) - You sounded like you don't think lower enlisted should get the choice of living off post, if they choose. I merely stated that they may be getting all those benefits, but there is a potential cost as well. They are there and have agreed to sacrifice their lives for this country. Instead of treating them like children, and some need to be, we should be encouraging them to have the responsibility of adults.
As a Senior NCO, I hated having to keep reminding my Soldiers they are adults, and it's difficult to drive that message home when you are still treating them like children. It's one thing to encourage Unit cohesion, it's completely another when you have to force them to become adults.
I was a recruiter for four years, working with NCOs who thought they had to babysit their applicants, I gave mine the information, set their goals and checked with them to make sure they weren't having problems. More often than not, they lived up to their potential, and EVERY ONE of them made it to Basic and passed.
As a Senior NCO, I hated having to keep reminding my Soldiers they are adults, and it's difficult to drive that message home when you are still treating them like children. It's one thing to encourage Unit cohesion, it's completely another when you have to force them to become adults.
I was a recruiter for four years, working with NCOs who thought they had to babysit their applicants, I gave mine the information, set their goals and checked with them to make sure they weren't having problems. More often than not, they lived up to their potential, and EVERY ONE of them made it to Basic and passed.
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So you have proclaimed an issue, but didn't offer any solutions. As you move further in your career you will be asked what you think about stuff and you will need to frame your responses properly to have tje biggest inpact possible. When presenting an issue you should also discuss why it is an issue ans then present recommendations on how to fix issues. Issue, discussion, recommendation will help you frame things so you aren't just bitching about a problem and allows you to present facts and solutions to people making decisions.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
Bringing a problem to light is not necessarily a bad thing. Whether he has a recommendation or not, which I thought his comment about evening out the BAH for single Soldiers was a solution...just my take on it.
Single Soldier BAH is not a bad idea, but I believe it should be limited to NCOs, including E5. Keeping E4 and below in Barracks keeps unit integrity below the rank of E4. Since the military is allowing an E3 or E4 who are married the option of living off post, they should allow all Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines that option.
Single Soldier BAH is not a bad idea, but I believe it should be limited to NCOs, including E5. Keeping E4 and below in Barracks keeps unit integrity below the rank of E4. Since the military is allowing an E3 or E4 who are married the option of living off post, they should allow all Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines that option.
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A solution would be. The barracks can house married soldiers as well as those with at least 2 children.
So if your in the army regardless of rank. Single officers. Single sma, single sfc should live in the barracks as well as those who are married and have no children to at least two children.
I meen 1 team 1 fight.
We all are family right.
We all should be treated equal right.
Single soldiers have a pet dog in the barracks.
Single mothers can be in the barracks. There would always be a trusted soldier to look after so she can go to work and do her job.
Married wives and build with other wives a lot easier that can help save marriage. Plus with all the gossip in the barracks that would make it harder for married soldiers to cheat.
It would be cost effective for big army.
Or is that just for the green slides.
It will help save the army money since so many soldiers who receive bas and bah complain its not enough. Ect.
I see that on forums and army times post.
Thats my suggestion. Every soldier lives on post. It will prevent a lot of the trouble the military deals with when it comes to soldiers off post as well as easy for soldiers to be checked up on especially leaders.
Cause we know most of the domestic abuse and suicides and gun injuries comes from e5 and above.
As a leader I need to make sure all soldiers are cared for and living right regardless of rank because we all are human. So like checking the barracks to checking your homes. Should be no exceptions if we all are family. :)
I find that to be a valid solution 1st sgt. If you agree. Please promote my response and incourage it with in your fellow leaders. Because we all have to look out for each other.
So if your in the army regardless of rank. Single officers. Single sma, single sfc should live in the barracks as well as those who are married and have no children to at least two children.
I meen 1 team 1 fight.
We all are family right.
We all should be treated equal right.
Single soldiers have a pet dog in the barracks.
Single mothers can be in the barracks. There would always be a trusted soldier to look after so she can go to work and do her job.
Married wives and build with other wives a lot easier that can help save marriage. Plus with all the gossip in the barracks that would make it harder for married soldiers to cheat.
It would be cost effective for big army.
Or is that just for the green slides.
It will help save the army money since so many soldiers who receive bas and bah complain its not enough. Ect.
I see that on forums and army times post.
Thats my suggestion. Every soldier lives on post. It will prevent a lot of the trouble the military deals with when it comes to soldiers off post as well as easy for soldiers to be checked up on especially leaders.
Cause we know most of the domestic abuse and suicides and gun injuries comes from e5 and above.
As a leader I need to make sure all soldiers are cared for and living right regardless of rank because we all are human. So like checking the barracks to checking your homes. Should be no exceptions if we all are family. :)
I find that to be a valid solution 1st sgt. If you agree. Please promote my response and incourage it with in your fellow leaders. Because we all have to look out for each other.
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Slightly off subject, but I remember when no one below the rank of E-4 got BAH. And, I believe you had to get the CO’s permission to not live in the barracks.
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Whew thank God that policy changed sir, i’m very fortunate to also come in having to experience what the civilian life is like financially and bottom line. I appreciate everything that Army has to offer for me and my wife
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