NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
Posted on Dec 4, 2019
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The do nothing questioned and refuses to commit to Article 5 which has only been invoked once during 9/11 to defend the U.S. and states US-Europe military alliance, and its role in deterring military aggression from Russia
Putin got exactly what he wants from NATO this week, thanks to Trump
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when did Article 5 become a question? i'm looking at Article 5 and i see NO question marks. same with Article 6. but since trump is putin's puppet, he's going to ask putin's permission before responding in the fashion set forth by Article 5.
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PO3 Bob McCord I just love when all the President Trump haters falsely accuse him of the very crimes their champions actually commit.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Obama tells Medvedev he will have "more flexibility" after election
(26 Mar 2012) 1. Wide shot of US President Barack Obama and outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at bilateral meeting 2. Cutaway of photographers 3. UP...
SFC (Join to see) - I always remind people the video of Obama stating he will have more flexibility after the election. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8&spfreload=10
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SrA John Monette
MAJ Byron Oyler - but Obama wasn't asking Medvedev to do something for him in return for funds.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
SrA John Monette - You are right, Obama was just offering shit to the Russians for nothing, no gain for our country. Shit at least traitors expect something back in return. Only reason people are up in arms regarding what Trump asked is because Biden is a political rival. Any other time, like the SALT treaties, we did not give shit over for free. We don't have forces in Korea for free. Our government asks for a lot for what we do for other countries but this case, since Biden is running for office, it made it a bad thing to ask for something in return. You think we give add to Lebanon or Egypt for nothing in return?
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When the article says that Slovakia was part of the Soviet Union (it was part of Czechoslovakia, before that part of Austria-Hungary) then I have to question the knowledge and premise of the author.
Let's keep it simple. If Russia comes over the berm against a NATO ally, what Putin will get is a lot of bullets.
But whatever. Russia, Russia, Russia!
Let's keep it simple. If Russia comes over the berm against a NATO ally, what Putin will get is a lot of bullets.
But whatever. Russia, Russia, Russia!
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Good thing Rocky Balboa knocked the communism right out of those Rooskies!
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SrA John Monette - Probably not, since where our troops are stationed is not where Russia would come over he berm. The Baltic States would be overrun before the NATO alliance would be able to respond - they are just physically very small countries.
And what do we have really? An airborne brigade and a medium wheeled infantry regiment. That ain't stopping shit. The Poles would be doing the heavy lifting, if it came to that. Really, they are the only ones in position to help in time.
The real salient question is would any government of those states survive long enough to invoke Article V, and if so, would the alliance respond in a unified manner. And if their governments were subverted and replaced (extremely likely Russian course of action), would the alliance respond without those governments invoking Article V.
That is the real chess game here, even though it is hypothetical.
I would submit to you that the real cracks in the alliance are elsewhere. Do you really think that Norway, for example will declare war on Russia over a coup in Latvia resulting in their swift occupation and annexation by Russia? I don't.
And we need look no further than the grab of Crimea (Ukraine is not in NATO) for the Russian model and likely reaction from the west.
And what do we have really? An airborne brigade and a medium wheeled infantry regiment. That ain't stopping shit. The Poles would be doing the heavy lifting, if it came to that. Really, they are the only ones in position to help in time.
The real salient question is would any government of those states survive long enough to invoke Article V, and if so, would the alliance respond in a unified manner. And if their governments were subverted and replaced (extremely likely Russian course of action), would the alliance respond without those governments invoking Article V.
That is the real chess game here, even though it is hypothetical.
I would submit to you that the real cracks in the alliance are elsewhere. Do you really think that Norway, for example will declare war on Russia over a coup in Latvia resulting in their swift occupation and annexation by Russia? I don't.
And we need look no further than the grab of Crimea (Ukraine is not in NATO) for the Russian model and likely reaction from the west.
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SrA John Monette
1SG (Join to see) - the reaction from the west is exactly what putin wanted. absolutely NO reaction, at least not militarily.
i think the NATO countries, for the most part, would honor Article 5. it is becoming less and less hypothetical with each passing day
i think the NATO countries, for the most part, would honor Article 5. it is becoming less and less hypothetical with each passing day
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1SG (Join to see) Top, one can’t reason with people that are acting irrationally, they hate President Trump so much they would swear day in night...
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If you watched the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" I wouldn't have to explain the following, but I must to make my point. Please bear with me. As briefly as possible, in the movie people are "chosen" to meet the alien UFO. They are given visions of the place of meeting and must decipher them. When those who figure it out arrive at the destination, they find their way blocked by the military. One man among them tells the others of a trail on the backside of the mountain that they had not seen. The reason is that he sculpted the mountain whereas the others had only drawn it. We need to look at the news like sculptors. We are presented many one-sided views, mostly the same side presented by a news media (print and broadcast) dominated by one ideology. Thus, we need to seek out other points of view to get the whole picture. This article is typical of the narrative presented by the mainstream media, the one that casts President Trump in the worst light. And it is getting more hysterical every day as they see the nation being led by someone outside their circle of ideologues. So, thanks for sharing this article. It helps me see that one side. Now excuse we while I go in search of other points of view in search of the truth.
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CPT Jack Durish
SSgt Ray Stone - Define "affirm". Why is the President required to affirm Article 5? As I recall, the US is a signatory to the NATO alliance which remains in effect. Presidents are not required to "reaffirm" treaties and their provisions. Am I wrong? And yes, the impeachment proceedings are a distraction, a major distraction. Especially since after almost three years of investigations not one impeachable offense has been proven (hearsay and wishful thinking are not proofs). And with the media acting in unison as shills for the President's political adversaries, he is forced to defend himself. Of course, it is not in their interest to allow him breathing room. A flourishing economy and other achievements despite the distractions are making it impossible for them to mount a serious challenge to his reelection, especially with the cast of clowns vying for the Democratic nomination. And, of course, there is your assumption that I am a Republican and that I will dig up "FAUX NEWs articles and right wing talking points" for you to laugh at. Such respect. Others lurking on the sidelines must wonder why I don't treat you equally disrespectfully...
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