National Training Center, US Army Forces Command
National Training Center, US Army Forces Command
Posted on Dec 4, 2018
What are a commander's options if SM fails numerous promotion boards, still has a service obligation, and he does not want to deploy to NTC?
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SM has failed numerous promotion boards, has attained Master's Degree and has two years left on his Army obligation. SM tells company commander he does not want to deploy with his unit to a CRC rotation to NTC and he wants to start preparing to exit service. What are the company commander's options?
My recommendation to the commander is to have SM's first line supervisor begin capturing his performance on 4856 and establish a pattern of behavior IOT possibly chapter the SM.
My recommendation to the commander is to have SM's first line supervisor begin capturing his performance on 4856 and establish a pattern of behavior IOT possibly chapter the SM.
Promotion Board
Service
Deployment
Company Commander
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 17
MSG (Join to see) I think you know the answer already.
Task, give lawful orders, inform, and remind the SM, That the uniform tag opposite their name tag, the US ARMY one....
Also stands for Uncle Same Aint Released Me Yet.
Do all that while recording his successes and failures...praising the one, counseling both as needed.
He has only two choices...well Id only offer two..... giving in to his wants by way of a tantrum was not my way...
So the SM can Soldier on till terminal leave date.
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Soldier on though Extra Duty and daily duties assigned until his Terminal leave date.
And YES he needs to go to NTC.. even if you don't use him in the unit line number assigned position... the unit will be tasked for more then a few SM to do "other duties" Would you rather pull a good SM from the platoon to clean latrines and dump trash cans, sort trash for ammo, guard the wash bay, clean the wash bay oil/grease pits? Or say....Someone who needs a reminder USARMY
Task, give lawful orders, inform, and remind the SM, That the uniform tag opposite their name tag, the US ARMY one....
Also stands for Uncle Same Aint Released Me Yet.
Do all that while recording his successes and failures...praising the one, counseling both as needed.
He has only two choices...well Id only offer two..... giving in to his wants by way of a tantrum was not my way...
So the SM can Soldier on till terminal leave date.
OR
Soldier on though Extra Duty and daily duties assigned until his Terminal leave date.
And YES he needs to go to NTC.. even if you don't use him in the unit line number assigned position... the unit will be tasked for more then a few SM to do "other duties" Would you rather pull a good SM from the platoon to clean latrines and dump trash cans, sort trash for ammo, guard the wash bay, clean the wash bay oil/grease pits? Or say....Someone who needs a reminder USARMY
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LTC Jason Mackay
MSG (Join to see) and SGM Erik Marquez just because he has an ADSO doesn't mean you can't counsel and bar. If he owes the Army for education and can't hold up his end, he'll pay it back. How long is his preparation to leave the Army? 2 years and an NTC rotation? Time for Daddy pants (edit: NSN: 8415-01-623-4186).
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SGM Erik Marquez
LTC Jason Mackay - Well yes of course, a Bar should have already happened .. but your point is spot on.
I may have wanted some to ETS,. I may have tried to talk some in to not ETS'ing, but I never dogged anyone for wanting to get out after completing a full enlistment honorable.
I may have wanted some to ETS,. I may have tried to talk some in to not ETS'ing, but I never dogged anyone for wanting to get out after completing a full enlistment honorable.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SGM Erik Marquez - if they get born again, I definitely would backoff a quarter turn and encourage....spoda be the whole point of counseling. He mentioned in the original post that he has failed the board(s). I thought that was now a cause for bars.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
I like the way you think. Absolutely, come to work and do his job, or come to work and do every crap detail the First Sergeant and I could think up, probably get the SGM involved too.
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The first thing to do is bar him from reenlistment due to repeated failure of the promotion board, and lack of promotion potential. The second thing is to issue formal orders for movement.
It sounds as if the service member believes he can be a great burden on the unit if he decides, and that it is in your best interest to leave him. This would be the time to educate him that he can leave the army with a less than honorable discharge, paying back his bonus, or student loan repayment that he likely has, and any GI Bill he may be entitled to.
Usually, when the commander is faced with one of these guys, they basically come to the agreement that as long as the service member continues to perform they will leave with their education benefits. But the first slip up and the service member will find themselves with an Article 15 and a further degraded discharge.
The service member will probably never be a contributing member of the military or any leader. But, if you give them the two choices, the carrot or the stick, they usually take the carrot. The carrot is they ETS honorably. The stick is taking all their pay, their rank, their time, and their benefits.
It sounds as if the service member believes he can be a great burden on the unit if he decides, and that it is in your best interest to leave him. This would be the time to educate him that he can leave the army with a less than honorable discharge, paying back his bonus, or student loan repayment that he likely has, and any GI Bill he may be entitled to.
Usually, when the commander is faced with one of these guys, they basically come to the agreement that as long as the service member continues to perform they will leave with their education benefits. But the first slip up and the service member will find themselves with an Article 15 and a further degraded discharge.
The service member will probably never be a contributing member of the military or any leader. But, if you give them the two choices, the carrot or the stick, they usually take the carrot. The carrot is they ETS honorably. The stick is taking all their pay, their rank, their time, and their benefits.
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As for the reason to bar them, it will restrict a number of benefits he could be using right now. He doesn't have to be in his reenlistment window in order to be barred. When you bar someone they are ineligible to move anywhere, ineligible for tuition assistance, and ineligible for any of the programs that require a person to be reenlistment eligible. In addition, it strengthens is separation packet and allows you to initiate the separation in 6 months.
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