Posted on Nov 7, 2015
Can a nation be a nation without enforceable borders?
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/illegals-just-sent-their-list-of-10-demands-to-the-american-people-its-not-going-to-go-over-well/
Before you get too excited, keep in mind that this story is probably the fantasy of some "journalist" having a hard time coming up with a story. When you see something like this you have to ask yourself, "When did 'illegals' get sufficiently organized to draft and announce such a document?" No, this list is most likely the composite of some ideologues demented fantasy. Or, possibly it's a logical compilation of things that other ideologues are demanding on behalf of 'illegals'. (Forgive me for breaking the first commandment and calling them 'illegals' but I can't think of a more accurate description and I do like to be precise)
That being said, there is an assumption inherent in these 'demands': Is the United States a nation or just a convenient domicile for whomever gets here?
If it is a nation, does it have a right to enforceable borders?
If it has a right to enforceable borders, does it have a right to regulate who crosses them and remains to enjoy the benefits that We the People have provided for ourselves?
If We the People didn't provide the benefits for ourselves, who gave them to us: The government? (Yes, that is a very leading question, isn't it?)
Finally, regardless of who provided these benefits, are those who enter the borders without right or invitation equally entitled to them or are they thieves?
Before you get too excited, keep in mind that this story is probably the fantasy of some "journalist" having a hard time coming up with a story. When you see something like this you have to ask yourself, "When did 'illegals' get sufficiently organized to draft and announce such a document?" No, this list is most likely the composite of some ideologues demented fantasy. Or, possibly it's a logical compilation of things that other ideologues are demanding on behalf of 'illegals'. (Forgive me for breaking the first commandment and calling them 'illegals' but I can't think of a more accurate description and I do like to be precise)
That being said, there is an assumption inherent in these 'demands': Is the United States a nation or just a convenient domicile for whomever gets here?
If it is a nation, does it have a right to enforceable borders?
If it has a right to enforceable borders, does it have a right to regulate who crosses them and remains to enjoy the benefits that We the People have provided for ourselves?
If We the People didn't provide the benefits for ourselves, who gave them to us: The government? (Yes, that is a very leading question, isn't it?)
Finally, regardless of who provided these benefits, are those who enter the borders without right or invitation equally entitled to them or are they thieves?
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I can't begin to understand why there is much acceptance of "undocumented immigrants."
This isn't a discussion on immigration; it's one about trespassing over international borders. In most CIVILIZED countries, crossing a border illegally gets one hard prison time or a bullet in the skull, and rightly so.
This isn't a discussion on immigration; it's one about trespassing over international borders. In most CIVILIZED countries, crossing a border illegally gets one hard prison time or a bullet in the skull, and rightly so.
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Well many "nations" in Africa and Europe have been struggling for some time to have enforceable borders not to mention Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India CPT Jack Durish. Nations tend to be defined by many things including a common language, cultural traditions and shared history. Nations with significant bodies of water at their borders tend to have an advantage as to those with long term friendly and allied relations with their neighbors. The USA has a strong neighbor in Canada and significant bodies of water in all other directions except for Mexico. Our shared border with Mexico is a weak point with many seemingly porous areas. Defense/monitoring/interdiction in depth and a supportive population on our side of the border would go a long way to enforcing our southern border.
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