Posted on May 10, 2016
How would you handle potential unequal treatment of PT standards within a unit?
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About 3-4 months ago I was put in for a waiver by my NCOIC for E3 to E4.
It was denied based on PT. (I did not fail my PT test but by no means was it spectacular). Totally understandable as to why I did not get it. I need to work on my PT to make it better and deserving of early promotion. No issue here.
As of now, I will be getting promoted (at 24 months, no waiver). However there is a female in my section that has not passed a PT test since last year. My 1SG pushed to get her waiver approved and it did. The OPS SGM in my unit talked to her and said she needed to improve on her PT but that she will be getting the waiver.
So I want to know if I should speak with my EO adviser and/or IG.
I don't believe my unit is following regulation with PT. We deploy soon and our section needs people, so I feel they aren't doing the appropriate action towards her based off of that fact. From my understanding, failing two PT tests is grounds for chapter paperwork to be initiated if they have counseled/flagged her which they have not. So my question honestly is what do you all think and should I talk to someone?
It was denied based on PT. (I did not fail my PT test but by no means was it spectacular). Totally understandable as to why I did not get it. I need to work on my PT to make it better and deserving of early promotion. No issue here.
As of now, I will be getting promoted (at 24 months, no waiver). However there is a female in my section that has not passed a PT test since last year. My 1SG pushed to get her waiver approved and it did. The OPS SGM in my unit talked to her and said she needed to improve on her PT but that she will be getting the waiver.
So I want to know if I should speak with my EO adviser and/or IG.
I don't believe my unit is following regulation with PT. We deploy soon and our section needs people, so I feel they aren't doing the appropriate action towards her based off of that fact. From my understanding, failing two PT tests is grounds for chapter paperwork to be initiated if they have counseled/flagged her which they have not. So my question honestly is what do you all think and should I talk to someone?
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You always have the option to talk to the EO Rep or the IG, but I reccomend you bring your concerns up your chain of command (at least to your Company Commander). There may be more going on in this situation than what you know. Maybe (and I am just speaking in hypotheticals) the other Solder has excelled in areas outside PT that warrant her waiver; maybe your leadership thinks you are deficient in areas (I am not accusing, just speaking hypotheticals) besides your PT and didn't support the promotion based on those concerns.
If it is a "cut and dry" case based on gender discrimination (in this case against males), then the Chain of Command will be forced to fix it. That being said, in my experience (starting with Private Snyder to SGT Snyder, then LT Snyder to MAJ Snyder) 95% of the time, the leadership in the military tries to do the right thing for the right reason...very rarely does it turn out otherwise.
Good luck, and I hope this works out well for you.
If it is a "cut and dry" case based on gender discrimination (in this case against males), then the Chain of Command will be forced to fix it. That being said, in my experience (starting with Private Snyder to SGT Snyder, then LT Snyder to MAJ Snyder) 95% of the time, the leadership in the military tries to do the right thing for the right reason...very rarely does it turn out otherwise.
Good luck, and I hope this works out well for you.
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MSgt James Mullis - Roger MSgt; I probably needed to be more clear, but I did recommend going up the CoC (starting with 1st Line leader) and stopping at Company CO.
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If she is failing PT, she should be flagged. If flagged, you cannot be promoted. If they aren't flagging her, then they are not following the regulation. And worse, actively working against the regulation by fast-tracking a Soldier who should not even be promoted.
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PFC Kevin Knapp
The military has become so pathetic. Getting promoted without being able to pass a PT test? Does she currently have a broken leg? Otherwise this is just lame.
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CSM Thomas McGarry
I think you gave a good answer Sir-Exactly what I would have done! This would not have occurred in my battalion!!
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SGT(P) Lauren Manuel hit the proverbial nail on the head. Gender cannot be involved if it is that is a huge EO complaint. The other peers that are weighing in are giving valid advice, however pounding down the CSM's door over a speculation or suspicion is only going to validate their decision not to advance you on a waiver. With rank comes responsibility, but most importantly perspective. Take a step back gather your emotions and be objective not emotional. The Army isn't about gender discrimination, and no we don't get promoted faster or because it'll look bad if they don't. Gather the facts, use your NCO support channel and be humble with yourself.
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If she hasn't passed an APFT, she is required to be flagged, and not promoted period.
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