Posted on May 11, 2016
How will the image of the Marine Corp be affected by allowing women into the Infantry?
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Will standards be the same?
Women in the Military
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0311: Rifleman
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The image will not change.
The effect on the MOS will only be known over time.
The effect on the MOS will only be known over time.
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What is the most damning thing of this is that of the 233 Females who made it through SOI only 2 volunteered to take the next step. If I recall correctly the Marines only accepted highly qualified and screened female volunteers to attempt he course and the drop out rate was still well over 60%.
Not a single female officer has been able to complete IOC of the 30 who attempted it. The image I get is of the Civilian Administration trying to fit a round peg and a square hole and failing miserably.
Not a single female officer has been able to complete IOC of the 30 who attempted it. The image I get is of the Civilian Administration trying to fit a round peg and a square hole and failing miserably.
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MAJ David Vermillion
Great comment. It will happen because the leaders will ensure it does. If it is fair for both men and women and standards don't change, then I am for women taking on these combat roles. But, when you mix males and females together in certain environments, you know what you are going to get.
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LCpl Cody Batroff
Bad idea. I've seen a WM go nuts on a M19 in a crowd control situation because she had a rock thrown at her plt sgt and her exact response was she was on her cycle and got over emotional due to here feelings for her platoon sgt that was later on discovered she was having relations with
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If there is anything the USMC is REALY good at, it is promoting the USMC "Brand."
As for "standards" changing. That's a loaded question. The Standards are constantly EVOLVING. They evolved while I was in. They are evolving now.
"Don't let the standards change" is a HORRIBLE rallying cry. It is unenlightened. The World Changes. The Battle Environment Changes. Therefore Standards need to change. Examples include:
1) Women started going to MCT in 1995~
2) The Female PFT was adjusted upward in 1996-1997 (so was the Males, making it more difficult)
3) We added the CFT, and are continuing to modify it because we KNOW the PFT is NOT a good measure of Combat Prowess or Effectiveness
4) We are looking at changing how the PFT is conducted (for males & females) again
But as for how "allowing Women into the Infantry" it will have minimum ACTUAL effect. The USMC is the smallest Service, and has the least number of Women (7%). Based on other Nations with female Infantry, the anticipated percentage is somewhere in the .5% range (over 20 years).
The USMC actually has TRAINED & Qualified 03xx, 08xx, 13xx, & 18xx (Combat Arms) Personnel NOW, due to the Integrated Testing from 29 Palms. The MOS qualifications did not change, however, there were recommendations made based on the studies, and an Objective Task list developed.
As for "standards" changing. That's a loaded question. The Standards are constantly EVOLVING. They evolved while I was in. They are evolving now.
"Don't let the standards change" is a HORRIBLE rallying cry. It is unenlightened. The World Changes. The Battle Environment Changes. Therefore Standards need to change. Examples include:
1) Women started going to MCT in 1995~
2) The Female PFT was adjusted upward in 1996-1997 (so was the Males, making it more difficult)
3) We added the CFT, and are continuing to modify it because we KNOW the PFT is NOT a good measure of Combat Prowess or Effectiveness
4) We are looking at changing how the PFT is conducted (for males & females) again
But as for how "allowing Women into the Infantry" it will have minimum ACTUAL effect. The USMC is the smallest Service, and has the least number of Women (7%). Based on other Nations with female Infantry, the anticipated percentage is somewhere in the .5% range (over 20 years).
The USMC actually has TRAINED & Qualified 03xx, 08xx, 13xx, & 18xx (Combat Arms) Personnel NOW, due to the Integrated Testing from 29 Palms. The MOS qualifications did not change, however, there were recommendations made based on the studies, and an Objective Task list developed.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
They did a thorough study, and the Administration promptly wiped their ass with it and told the USMC that they would put women in the Infantry no matter what.
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LCpl Jason Mills
Well put, but evolving is one thing, but putting females in a front line combat unit is totally another. It is one thing to take a peice of machinery and and force it to beat the laws of physics and gravity until it flys the way you want it to(i.e. The V22) but to force humans to just change there nature by forcing a situation that is bad from the start is never going to end well... It is not if a woman can do it or not, it is about all the side affects of having that woman in a front line combat arms roll. There is going to be bad things happen to these women and we are taking the last little protection we have away.
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