Posted on May 21, 2016
Many military personnel have a respect for civilian police yet MPs are possibly the most reviled Soldiers in the military. Why?
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What I find funny is all the "they enforce chickensh**t rules, they set up DUI checkpoints and searched my car or the whole littany of petty BS I come to expect when we talk about Military Police soldiers.
Are there some bad ones out there? Yes! Do some go on powertrips? Yes.
But here is the skinny on all of it: If the Military Police were not out there 24/7 365 doing their jobs you guys would be on here cry sacking about how noone enforces the rules or standards. You have absolutely no pity for the Traffic Acccident Investigator who has to go out on a call because some joe's thought it'd be ok drink it up in the B's and then decide to make a beer run and plowed into someone killing themselves or someone's family. Nor do you empathize with any of the Investigators who have to go out to the sexual assaults, child abuses or domestic assault cases.
You guys come on here and bust balls on some private that wrote you a ticket because YOU were the one speeding, do you even know how retarded you sound? Or your mad by proxy because someone you know got a ticket? Really your mad because someone else got a ticket? That blows my mind!
I was an MP for 20 years and I treated everyone with respect. I never wrote a ticket that the person didn't have coming and I never filed a charge on someone who didn't have it coming.
So if you don't like the speed limit on post, don't complain to the MP's, complain to the Post Commander. Feel free to walk right in to his office and tell him his policies are "chickensh*t", chances are you aren't going to do that, but you'll spend 20 minutes trying to chew out a soldier for doing their J-O-B! Jesus people!
Are there some bad ones out there? Yes! Do some go on powertrips? Yes.
But here is the skinny on all of it: If the Military Police were not out there 24/7 365 doing their jobs you guys would be on here cry sacking about how noone enforces the rules or standards. You have absolutely no pity for the Traffic Acccident Investigator who has to go out on a call because some joe's thought it'd be ok drink it up in the B's and then decide to make a beer run and plowed into someone killing themselves or someone's family. Nor do you empathize with any of the Investigators who have to go out to the sexual assaults, child abuses or domestic assault cases.
You guys come on here and bust balls on some private that wrote you a ticket because YOU were the one speeding, do you even know how retarded you sound? Or your mad by proxy because someone you know got a ticket? Really your mad because someone else got a ticket? That blows my mind!
I was an MP for 20 years and I treated everyone with respect. I never wrote a ticket that the person didn't have coming and I never filed a charge on someone who didn't have it coming.
So if you don't like the speed limit on post, don't complain to the MP's, complain to the Post Commander. Feel free to walk right in to his office and tell him his policies are "chickensh*t", chances are you aren't going to do that, but you'll spend 20 minutes trying to chew out a soldier for doing their J-O-B! Jesus people!
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SPC David Willis
Spot on, yet like any job there are those that let power go to their head. Perhaps no one in the military has it harder than an MP private giving a ticket to a senior NCO or any officer. Having to both respect rank and exude authority is very tough I can imagine. However its also one of the jobs where folks with power hungry attitudes can gravitate to. Just like any job there are bad apples and the rest of you get a bad rep from the ones who shouldn't be there.
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SPC David Willis - most power hungry people I ever met in the Military were DS, DS thinking their hat should mean somehow give them power over me forgetting their hat means nothing outside the training area or PAC clerks, forgetting I had no problem crushing their hopes and dreams after they lost the paperwork for the second or third time.
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SGM Erik Marquez
My only disdain for MP's was/ is the same I have for civilian police... If you want to enforce the law, know the law your intending to enforce.
I was wrongly cited for a traffic violation, I politely attempted to handle it the lowest level, the MP, she would hear none of it, did not want to read the traffic law in question..
Ok fine we all make mistakes, hers was trusting, but not verifying. She had been told tuning left from a left hand turn lane, the operator MUST turn in the the left most lane by a fellow MP, she failed to verify that on her own, or when it was suggested to her.
(b)To make a left turn at an intersection, an operator shall:
(1)approach the intersection in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to a vehicle moving in the direction of the vehicle; and
(2)after entering the intersection, turn left, leaving the intersection so as to arrive in a lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of the vehicle on the roadway being entered.
I waited in line for 2 hours to see the federal prosecutor, he read the citation and said" let me guess, you turned left into an outside lane?" He had already dismissed more then a few such citations as not legally valid.. IOW it was a KNOWN issue with MP's incorrect writing citations for this part of the traffic code..yet MP leadership had not corrected/updated the Road MP's training.
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I went and spoke to the sergeant in charge of the road MP's...He said he would address it, 6 weeks later I asked 4 MP's working the road about the issue, they had no idea about it, had not been briefed, received training on it and 3 of 4 did not know the traffic code they as they thought they did...But left the conversation happy to have a better understanding and said they would confirm with leadership what I presented to them was current and valid...GREAT trust but verify.
I spoke to the MP unit senior NCO, and provost marshal ...it was a professional friendly discussion where I explained I have no animosity to the unit, the job, the MP that wrote the citation..Only to the Sergeant I presented the issue to, and no action was taken. I tried to handle it at the lowest level and THAT MP acted unprofessionally.
28 years and that is my only MP gripe>
I was wrongly cited for a traffic violation, I politely attempted to handle it the lowest level, the MP, she would hear none of it, did not want to read the traffic law in question..
Ok fine we all make mistakes, hers was trusting, but not verifying. She had been told tuning left from a left hand turn lane, the operator MUST turn in the the left most lane by a fellow MP, she failed to verify that on her own, or when it was suggested to her.
(b)To make a left turn at an intersection, an operator shall:
(1)approach the intersection in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to a vehicle moving in the direction of the vehicle; and
(2)after entering the intersection, turn left, leaving the intersection so as to arrive in a lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of the vehicle on the roadway being entered.
I waited in line for 2 hours to see the federal prosecutor, he read the citation and said" let me guess, you turned left into an outside lane?" He had already dismissed more then a few such citations as not legally valid.. IOW it was a KNOWN issue with MP's incorrect writing citations for this part of the traffic code..yet MP leadership had not corrected/updated the Road MP's training.
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I went and spoke to the sergeant in charge of the road MP's...He said he would address it, 6 weeks later I asked 4 MP's working the road about the issue, they had no idea about it, had not been briefed, received training on it and 3 of 4 did not know the traffic code they as they thought they did...But left the conversation happy to have a better understanding and said they would confirm with leadership what I presented to them was current and valid...GREAT trust but verify.
I spoke to the MP unit senior NCO, and provost marshal ...it was a professional friendly discussion where I explained I have no animosity to the unit, the job, the MP that wrote the citation..Only to the Sergeant I presented the issue to, and no action was taken. I tried to handle it at the lowest level and THAT MP acted unprofessionally.
28 years and that is my only MP gripe>
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I only had one lengthy contact with the MP's. It was at Camp Pendleton. I was a 2ndLT in a Rifle Battalion going through pre-deployment work-ups. My wife and I lived on base at the North end (San Onofre MOQ). The Hospital was at the south end. I was in the field when my wife went into labor.
I don't know how they got involved but when I made it to my quarters the two MP's were there to help. They helped me get her in my POV. The Corporal cautioned me to drive carefully to the Hospital and offered to provide a lights and siren escort. He then took off like a bat out of Hell. I don't think he ever checked his rear view mirror. I lost him before we ever got out of the MOQ area. I drove the speed limit and only saw him as he occasionally crested a hill on Basilone Rd, with lights still going.
22 Hours later, after my daughter was born, I unwisely drove home. At that point I'd been awake about 40 hours. I made it home, but fell asleep in the foyer with my feet sticking out the front door. The same MP's responded. I guess a neighbor thought I was drunk or dead. The two Marines got me to my couch, took off my boots, offered me congratulations and left; closing the door behind them. I think MP's are just peachy.
I don't know how they got involved but when I made it to my quarters the two MP's were there to help. They helped me get her in my POV. The Corporal cautioned me to drive carefully to the Hospital and offered to provide a lights and siren escort. He then took off like a bat out of Hell. I don't think he ever checked his rear view mirror. I lost him before we ever got out of the MOQ area. I drove the speed limit and only saw him as he occasionally crested a hill on Basilone Rd, with lights still going.
22 Hours later, after my daughter was born, I unwisely drove home. At that point I'd been awake about 40 hours. I made it home, but fell asleep in the foyer with my feet sticking out the front door. The same MP's responded. I guess a neighbor thought I was drunk or dead. The two Marines got me to my couch, took off my boots, offered me congratulations and left; closing the door behind them. I think MP's are just peachy.
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SSgt John Buono
I was Security Forces (the Air Force equivalent of MP) and we were dispatched to calls like this all the time. We responded to medical emergencies and often arrived before the medical personnel. First aid training came in handy!
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SSgt Junior Dunn
Sir, I was stationed at CPR. Pendleton
Sir, I was stationed at Cp. Pendleton from 1980-1991 as a MP working my way up from Patrolman to Watch Commander and made many runs from the 51Area to the main hospital in the 20 area and for what reason the young mpeg had for giving you an escort and then leaving you behind is unexplainable to me. We never gave escorts unless it was life threatening.
Sir, I was stationed at Cp. Pendleton from 1980-1991 as a MP working my way up from Patrolman to Watch Commander and made many runs from the 51Area to the main hospital in the 20 area and for what reason the young mpeg had for giving you an escort and then leaving you behind is unexplainable to me. We never gave escorts unless it was life threatening.
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Maj John Bell
SSgt Junior Dunn - Her situation was not life threatening, but I don't know what his dispatch information was or even if he received another dispatch as we got under way.
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1) Because Non-MP Officers / Senior NCOs cant tell us what to do on the Job
2) Because we can and Do Write up or Apprehend said Non-MP Officers and Senior NCOs
3) MP need to think for themselves The Army as a culture does not like getting second guessed or being told they are wrong by a lower ranking Service Member.
4) If we are coming towards them they probably did something wrong.
5) MPs will correct something even when others walk on by.
6) We hold ourselves to a higher standard.
7) We SCARE the crap out of them. For any of the above reasons or others not recounted
2) Because we can and Do Write up or Apprehend said Non-MP Officers and Senior NCOs
3) MP need to think for themselves The Army as a culture does not like getting second guessed or being told they are wrong by a lower ranking Service Member.
4) If we are coming towards them they probably did something wrong.
5) MPs will correct something even when others walk on by.
6) We hold ourselves to a higher standard.
7) We SCARE the crap out of them. For any of the above reasons or others not recounted
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SPC Mark Hocker
I have things I could say from my time in Germany but no one would believe me been awhile looks like things have changed since I was in and I didn't bother with on spot corrections had better things to do like looking for possible car bombs yes car bombs in Germany
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SPC Randall Eichelberger
1SG (Join to see) - We may have our issues but you're going to catch an Article 15 just like everyone else. Plenty of 1SG's get caught DUI and get away with it, but I don't hold it against all 1SG's do I?
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SrA Travis Rodenburg
I always thought it was funny when I'd pull over a dependent female. The majority of them would bat their eyes and do what ever they could to win you over or give you a sob story. When I'd give them a ticket their demeanor would change real fast. I always got a kick out of that.
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SPC Randall Eichelberger - Kerry knows he has been assigned to MP units several times. I served with him twice once while he was my commo SGT in 04-05 and then again at the MP School house
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