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I'll try and keep it short and simple.
PCS'd from Benning to Wainwright. My losing unit was disbanded. I had Permissive TDY worked out in my leave packet before I left Benning. Reported to the wainwright MPD and the post housing 10 days prior to my report date. They said they cannot grant me PTDY, it had to come from my gaining unit. So I signed in and started in processing. The day I got to my new unit I explained my housing situation and requested PTDY. 1SG signed off on it and said he'll take it to the commander. The commander said no. At this time I was utilizing TLA living in temp lodging with my pregnant wife, son and dog. I fought hard but still lost after a day of discussion. So I proceeded to find a home to buy. Found a home, put the offer in, blah blah now the closing date is June 13th, house hold goods on the 14th, and 2nd child is due on July 1st. My platoon leader talked me into accepting that I would be denied that PTDY, with a promise that he would RESUBMIT the PTDY request when we were getting ready to move in, so I could "set up the home" especially since my wife will be due less than 3 weeks later. It's crucial the home is set up for that second child.
If the C.O denies it again, I'm talking to our SCO about it. I know this will leave a bad taste in the leaderships mouths about me, but I need to take care of my family. Any advice out there?? Thank you. - SPC V
PCS'd from Benning to Wainwright. My losing unit was disbanded. I had Permissive TDY worked out in my leave packet before I left Benning. Reported to the wainwright MPD and the post housing 10 days prior to my report date. They said they cannot grant me PTDY, it had to come from my gaining unit. So I signed in and started in processing. The day I got to my new unit I explained my housing situation and requested PTDY. 1SG signed off on it and said he'll take it to the commander. The commander said no. At this time I was utilizing TLA living in temp lodging with my pregnant wife, son and dog. I fought hard but still lost after a day of discussion. So I proceeded to find a home to buy. Found a home, put the offer in, blah blah now the closing date is June 13th, house hold goods on the 14th, and 2nd child is due on July 1st. My platoon leader talked me into accepting that I would be denied that PTDY, with a promise that he would RESUBMIT the PTDY request when we were getting ready to move in, so I could "set up the home" especially since my wife will be due less than 3 weeks later. It's crucial the home is set up for that second child.
If the C.O denies it again, I'm talking to our SCO about it. I know this will leave a bad taste in the leaderships mouths about me, but I need to take care of my family. Any advice out there?? Thank you. - SPC V
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It takes an 0-5 Commander to authorize PTDY. You can receive it from the losing or gaining unit. The easiest is from the loosing unit, since they know you. Not sure why or under what authority Housing has to deny it. In addition, your CDR (CPT) is not the approving authority. In addition, if your 1SG has not rectified this situation for you, he is failing you!
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1SG Patrick Burke
SSG (Join to see) - You are correct on that part, but the issue is the Soldier has not received PTDY.
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LTC Paul Labrador
SSG (Join to see) - But your O-4's likely have an ETP memo allowing them to be the approving authority for PTDY. I had this issue when I was PCSing from long term schooling. My BN commander at the schoolhouse delegated PTDY granting authority to the CO commanders, but I had to have them produce that memo when I got to Benning else they were going to charge me leave for those days.
And PTDY doesn't have to be taken at the losing station, as technically, until the SM signs into the new unit, he remains on the old unit's books. The old commander is authorizing the his soldier to find a house at the new station BEFORE he signs into the new unit. As long as he take his PTDY prior to his NLT report date, it should be good.
And PTDY doesn't have to be taken at the losing station, as technically, until the SM signs into the new unit, he remains on the old unit's books. The old commander is authorizing the his soldier to find a house at the new station BEFORE he signs into the new unit. As long as he take his PTDY prior to his NLT report date, it should be good.
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1SG Patrick Burke
LTC Paul Labrador - Sir, right on point. Overlooked the EMILPO part of the Soldiers status.
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SSG (Join to see)
LTC Paul Labrador - The problem revolves around the fact he signed in from leave. If he had stayed on leave, he would have the 10 days PTDY used as well as his normal leave, however he signed in early. The 10 days is still used as non chargeable leave is used first. Per Ft W's policy TLA is not allowed until you sign in. I am speculating, that is why the SM signed in early, thus creating an issue with the PTDY being counted first.
If however finance says they charged him all his leave as normal leave, he should get PTDY, if the Commander allows it. (its still not a requirement to get, and tbh pretty crappy if the Commander says no)
Ft W's policy is close to Ft Drums, in that in processing must be completed prior to PTDY taken on this side.
As mentioned before, with Soldiers here in that situation, they reconstruct a leave form, void the old one, charge the SM for all leave taken during PCS, and then allow PTDY after in processing.
If however finance says they charged him all his leave as normal leave, he should get PTDY, if the Commander allows it. (its still not a requirement to get, and tbh pretty crappy if the Commander says no)
Ft W's policy is close to Ft Drums, in that in processing must be completed prior to PTDY taken on this side.
As mentioned before, with Soldiers here in that situation, they reconstruct a leave form, void the old one, charge the SM for all leave taken during PCS, and then allow PTDY after in processing.
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I read through all the responses and have another viewpoint. It's my understanding that PTDY is non-chargeable leave granted to the SM not only for house-hunting but receiving and unpacking household goods. Since Alaska is about as far away as a PCS can take you, do you think the Command is "sand-bagging" a few days for you for when your Stuff arrives? Are you and your family currently set-up in Army Temp housing?
When I got Stationed in Hawaii, I was lucky enough to be able to take more than my 10 days due to all the logistics involved in an "overseas" move. No it wasn't a straight 10+ days. I signed in the day after arriving on Island. We had our Temp Housing the day we arrived. There is no way in hell anyone can do everything in 10 straight days. House-hunting is tough but wouldn't you want to talk to some people to know where the "unsavory" areas are at? There's LOTSA things to do in a move of your nature. Trust me, I KNOW. Half a day here and there eats up a lot of time. You probably shipped a POV. There's a day by itself getting the thing. When your household goods arrive, wouldn't you like a few days to unpack and set up the place?
I'm kinda thinking the Command is actually looking out for you in the long run. That is as long as they let you book out to take care of stuff as events natural progress. They've done this shit before, have you?
Edited ~ I re-read your situation and the dates clicked. I would suggest that you identify those Hard-Times to your 1SG. You didn't specify the PTDY dates you requested in your original post. The only thing non-negotiable in your situation is communication. Make sure your FLL and NCO channel up to the 1SG knows what's shaking. NCO's are not normally heartless bastards. We've all been there before and know your plight.
When I got Stationed in Hawaii, I was lucky enough to be able to take more than my 10 days due to all the logistics involved in an "overseas" move. No it wasn't a straight 10+ days. I signed in the day after arriving on Island. We had our Temp Housing the day we arrived. There is no way in hell anyone can do everything in 10 straight days. House-hunting is tough but wouldn't you want to talk to some people to know where the "unsavory" areas are at? There's LOTSA things to do in a move of your nature. Trust me, I KNOW. Half a day here and there eats up a lot of time. You probably shipped a POV. There's a day by itself getting the thing. When your household goods arrive, wouldn't you like a few days to unpack and set up the place?
I'm kinda thinking the Command is actually looking out for you in the long run. That is as long as they let you book out to take care of stuff as events natural progress. They've done this shit before, have you?
Edited ~ I re-read your situation and the dates clicked. I would suggest that you identify those Hard-Times to your 1SG. You didn't specify the PTDY dates you requested in your original post. The only thing non-negotiable in your situation is communication. Make sure your FLL and NCO channel up to the 1SG knows what's shaking. NCO's are not normally heartless bastards. We've all been there before and know your plight.
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MSG Pat Colby
SGT (Join to see) - Isn't it fun living in a "hotel"? *groan*
I edited my initial reply btw....
Your Commander knows more than you are giving him credit for. I'm fairly confident that all concerned will appropriately take care of you. They aren't going to send you to the Field while your HHG's are being delivered. GRATZ on the new Kidlette! Make sure you have a DA31 at the Ready for that event!
I edited my initial reply btw....
Your Commander knows more than you are giving him credit for. I'm fairly confident that all concerned will appropriately take care of you. They aren't going to send you to the Field while your HHG's are being delivered. GRATZ on the new Kidlette! Make sure you have a DA31 at the Ready for that event!
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I work in the finance office at Ft.Wainwright, AK.
To even be authorized, PTDY must be annotated in the remarks (block 17) on the DA31, and must have a least a LTC signature in block 13. (Or CPT w/assumption of CMD letter)
When you arrive to FWA, you must report to housing for validation. Housing must stamp your leave form (the one you signed out of last duty location with, Block 14 filled in) for you to receive the PTDY enroute.
PTDY is 10 days, non-chargeable leave, for house hunting. SM's either don't read their orders, don't follow the directions for PTDY, or choose NOT to take it upon arrival.
Most individuals choose to forgo the PTDY enroute and ask new command for it later b/c entitlements do not start until you sign in. Alaska is expensive, and TLA, BAH, and COLA are worth more than "free" leave (just like being on vacay in Alaska) Post Housing usually has a wait here, and people choose to sign in to get placed on the wait list, and start their entitlements for the above.
If you have pay issues, you can obtain a pay inquiry (from S-1, or the finance office), fill it out, get it signed, and bring it into the finance office, and we'll answer any pay questions you have.
To even be authorized, PTDY must be annotated in the remarks (block 17) on the DA31, and must have a least a LTC signature in block 13. (Or CPT w/assumption of CMD letter)
When you arrive to FWA, you must report to housing for validation. Housing must stamp your leave form (the one you signed out of last duty location with, Block 14 filled in) for you to receive the PTDY enroute.
PTDY is 10 days, non-chargeable leave, for house hunting. SM's either don't read their orders, don't follow the directions for PTDY, or choose NOT to take it upon arrival.
Most individuals choose to forgo the PTDY enroute and ask new command for it later b/c entitlements do not start until you sign in. Alaska is expensive, and TLA, BAH, and COLA are worth more than "free" leave (just like being on vacay in Alaska) Post Housing usually has a wait here, and people choose to sign in to get placed on the wait list, and start their entitlements for the above.
If you have pay issues, you can obtain a pay inquiry (from S-1, or the finance office), fill it out, get it signed, and bring it into the finance office, and we'll answer any pay questions you have.
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Where is your team leader and squad leader? If you were in my squad I'd go to the housing office and confront them not accepting losing commands PMTDY. If their management doesn't rectify and Company echelon doesn't support I'd tell the 1SG go ahead and have the CDR recommend disapproval and I'll schedule appointment with Battalion CSM; because its time to go to BAT. I'll give the Company echelon heads up I'm doing this; it'll be known its not a request it's a courtesy. If BN CDR disapproves I'm going to pull some slick NCO stuff and give you 10 days off anyway in some shape or form. You'll maybe show up for one formation on day one. I'll account for you granted you text me every day at a certain time. If 1SG and Platoon Sergeant "NCO Support Channel" wanna get in my "Chain of Command" business ill throw you on some sort of detail for ten days and talk to the detail NCOIC and just tell them to give you 10 days off. If higher echelons want to push it I'm going to IG and I'm sure after this story its good chance the command isn't going to be viewed favorably. *Public Disclosure, I have never done this and don't encourage other Junior NCO's to do this especially if they don't know what their doing*. =]
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If your losing command didn't authorize PTDY for you, it is a bit of a crap shoot whether gaining unit will. However, usually gaining units don't have heartburn about it unless your request sounds fishy (ie unaccompanied E-4 asking for PTDY for househunting, when all unaccompanied E-4s live in the barracks). Not sure why your CO isn't forwarding this up, unless their hands are tied and you have to complete inprocessing first.
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Thanks for the response sir. It was in fact approved by my losing command (O-5) so I don't know where the disconnect is. And why I'm not getting the PTDY.
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