Posted on Feb 7, 2017
Can pros and cons be voided if a Marine is not counseled?
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I have a fellow Marine that was given proficiency and conduct marks of 4.0/4.0 before being sent on TAD. His NCO's say they had recommended him higher marks but the section SNCO (currently no OIC), apparently went against the recommended ones, screwing his average up. My understanding is that if you receive pros and cons below 4.3 you need to be counseled on them. He was not.
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He is a good Marine. No page 11's or Article 15's. A couple negative counselings for that things that happened over 5 months ago. No shave and not completing an assigned task due to a miscommunication. Either his SNCO has it out for him or he did something he's not telling me. But his NCO's said that they definitely recommended ones better than he got. Now, they cant ask the SNCO about it because he got transferred to another base and their current SNCO just got back from a deployment. Now he's thinking about requesting mast and I told him to hold off until I could find out any more information because his NCO's don't really know what can be done.
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Any marine can submit their own pros and cons. If he feels like he's being short changed there's a syllabus he can follow in creating his own pros and cons and putting them in for himself. If he's honest with himself and let's his mentor know he's doing that then there is no reason whatsoever he shouldn't be able to do that.
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Review the MCO P1070.12K. It specifically explains the markings and the standard for each.
Now I don't know the Marine, his/her record, or the situation. However, 4.0-4.4 are Average. That means average Marines are graded on this scale with their peers. Using only what you mentioned, "couple negative counseling," I would say this Marine requires a little more attention than others and he was marked appropriately. Remember proficiency and conduct marks cover a period and grade the whole Marine concept which is leadership, physical fitness, occupational knowledge, conduct, etc. I hope this clears things up.
Now I don't know the Marine, his/her record, or the situation. However, 4.0-4.4 are Average. That means average Marines are graded on this scale with their peers. Using only what you mentioned, "couple negative counseling," I would say this Marine requires a little more attention than others and he was marked appropriately. Remember proficiency and conduct marks cover a period and grade the whole Marine concept which is leadership, physical fitness, occupational knowledge, conduct, etc. I hope this clears things up.
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Regardless of the markings the Marine should be counseled. Does it always happen, no. The markings of 4.0 are average per the IRAM, MCO P1070.12K Ch. 1.
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I think he needs a Marine to answer that question sarge. Unless you're familiar with Marine Corps ratings. lol
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