Posted on Oct 20, 2014
Should universities in states that allow concealed carry in public force universities to allow them in their respective states?
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I am working on an article for the campus newspaper where I attend college.
Disclaimer: this thread is not for the purposes of gathering data for my article. Researching and writing this article for my newspaper has peaked my interest and I want to know what the members of RP think.
Our campus recently had two shooting threats in one day and eight days later an actual shooting. This prompted some members of the student government to bring up the issue of allowing those with permits to be allowed to carry their weapons on campus.
I have come across some good arguments on both sides of the issue. What is your opinion about allowing students to carry concealed weapons? Do you think crime on campus will increase, as some have suggested, or do you think concealed carry could be a deterrent to potential shootings and violent crimes.
Disclaimer: this thread is not for the purposes of gathering data for my article. Researching and writing this article for my newspaper has peaked my interest and I want to know what the members of RP think.
Our campus recently had two shooting threats in one day and eight days later an actual shooting. This prompted some members of the student government to bring up the issue of allowing those with permits to be allowed to carry their weapons on campus.
I have come across some good arguments on both sides of the issue. What is your opinion about allowing students to carry concealed weapons? Do you think crime on campus will increase, as some have suggested, or do you think concealed carry could be a deterrent to potential shootings and violent crimes.
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Public universities, Yes.
Private universities, No.
Logic: Public universities are public, and run by the state. Rights should not be restricted by governmental entities unless there is 1) a valid public purpose (which isn't just "good intentions") and 2) it is the least rights-restrictive method of attaining said purpose.
Private universities are private entities and are entitled to set rules of conduct on their premises. Even if I think those rules are wrong. Which I do - Private universities shouldn't require people to be defenseless. But the question stated "force" - No, they should not be forced.
Private universities, No.
Logic: Public universities are public, and run by the state. Rights should not be restricted by governmental entities unless there is 1) a valid public purpose (which isn't just "good intentions") and 2) it is the least rights-restrictive method of attaining said purpose.
Private universities are private entities and are entitled to set rules of conduct on their premises. Even if I think those rules are wrong. Which I do - Private universities shouldn't require people to be defenseless. But the question stated "force" - No, they should not be forced.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
COL Vincent Stoneking Indiana has been trying to pass a law that would prevent public universities from restricting weapons on campus, but the law would not require private universities to allow concealed carry.
I totally agree with you. The argument here is that if state law allows citizens that are licensed to carry concealed weapons in public, then they should be allowed to carry in public universities also.
Thank you for your feedback sir.
I totally agree with you. The argument here is that if state law allows citizens that are licensed to carry concealed weapons in public, then they should be allowed to carry in public universities also.
Thank you for your feedback sir.
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When I graduated from college I would have said no. Long before you would have a need to carry, I argued, you would witness accidental discharges from someone dropping their backpack just the right way, or someone losing their firearm in the library. This wouldn’t have stopped me from carrying, of course; what the college didn’t know wouldn’t hurt me.
Things have changed. And I haven’t been out of college that long. Earlier this month, there was an incident of robbery, kidnapping, and sodomy of four students at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. Meanwhile, the potential of lone wolf attacks that the media is playing up is very real, and universities are soft targets.
Should universities allow students with a state-issued concealed carry permit to carry on campus? Absolutely. Are those with concealed carry permits already carrying in the absence of such a mandate? Hope so...
Things have changed. And I haven’t been out of college that long. Earlier this month, there was an incident of robbery, kidnapping, and sodomy of four students at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. Meanwhile, the potential of lone wolf attacks that the media is playing up is very real, and universities are soft targets.
Should universities allow students with a state-issued concealed carry permit to carry on campus? Absolutely. Are those with concealed carry permits already carrying in the absence of such a mandate? Hope so...
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LCpl Steve Wininger
I totally agree SSgt (Join to see) In Indiana it is legal to carry a concealed weapon on public property provided one has the proper license to do so. One cannot be arrested on our campus if they are licensed to carry, however, because of school policy, a student can be expelled, or staff terminated for violating that policy.
Members of our student body, faculty, and student government are working to get the policy changed to allow concealed carry.
Members of our student body, faculty, and student government are working to get the policy changed to allow concealed carry.
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Take a look at state universities in Utah. They allow conceal carry on college campuses and have not seen an increase in crime. They have actually seen a decrease in violent crime. A college student should not have to check their 2nd amendment rights at the door to higher education. I did several articles and speeches advocating the acceptance of conceal carry on college campuses. I've been on college campuses when an active shooter scenario was thought to be playing out and as fast as the police can respond it still slower than a competent individual with a conceal carry permit in the building (Not saying that they have to go clearing rooms).
Most mass shootings occur in gun free zones for a reason, easy target because law abiding citizens will be unarmed. If you stop the ban on self defense, those hell bent on destruction will think twice about attacking the harder target.
If you take a look at the research of how many times an active shooter on a college campus or any campus has been stopped by law enforcement you will be surprised to how often law enforcement is able to stop the threat before students/faculty have banded together to stop the threat or the shooter took their own life.
Remember when seconds count, police are minutes away...
Most mass shootings occur in gun free zones for a reason, easy target because law abiding citizens will be unarmed. If you stop the ban on self defense, those hell bent on destruction will think twice about attacking the harder target.
If you take a look at the research of how many times an active shooter on a college campus or any campus has been stopped by law enforcement you will be surprised to how often law enforcement is able to stop the threat before students/faculty have banded together to stop the threat or the shooter took their own life.
Remember when seconds count, police are minutes away...
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LCpl Steve Wininger
SGT (Join to see) That last line should be used as a slogan. When I talked to the students for concealed carry rep on our campus he mentioned also that crime in the seven states that permit concealed carry on campus has dropped.
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SGT (Join to see)
That's true anytime you allow lawful conceal carry. If you take a look at crime trends right now in the state of IL you'll see a drop because they now have a CC law in place that allows for it. Criminals are more hesitant to commit a strong arm robbery when they now have the threat of someone shooting back at them now...
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