Posted on Aug 26, 2017
If a Soldier falls for an illegal immigrant and wants to marry that person, will their Security Clearance be in question?
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S1 Personnel NCO
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Depends on level of clearance and in what way the immigrant is illegal and whether there are additional issues with that person.
The Soldier needs to be up front and report the relationship so the security manager can initiate a review. Immigration status would change with a (presumably) US citizen sponsor, so that part would sort itself out eventually when they marry.
As a leader I would be counseling the Soldier, because as anyone who has been in the Army a minute has seen, Soldiers attract their share of sham marriages that can bring trouble up to UCMJ if identified as such.
The Soldier needs to be up front and report the relationship so the security manager can initiate a review. Immigration status would change with a (presumably) US citizen sponsor, so that part would sort itself out eventually when they marry.
As a leader I would be counseling the Soldier, because as anyone who has been in the Army a minute has seen, Soldiers attract their share of sham marriages that can bring trouble up to UCMJ if identified as such.
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Not so easy to "sort itself out". Most undocumented immigrants are required to leave the country and wait ten years to return.
There is a military program called "Parole in Place", but not all military spouses qualify and it doesn't always solve the ten-year-bar.
There is a military program called "Parole in Place", but not all military spouses qualify and it doesn't always solve the ten-year-bar.
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I knew an Army SSG who was stationed in Germany for three years. He is Puerto Rican and he met a real nice Hispanic lady in Germany. He married her there then two years later tried to get her a visa into the USA. They turned her down flat cold. She was a Cuban National, no option to ever get her into The US legally. His top secret clearance came into question under the premise that she may be a professional spy ordered by Cuba to find and marry a US military man. It ended eventually with them separating and divorcing rather than ending his career.
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SGM Joel Cook
SSG Jennifer Cole - His MOS required a secret clearance which he has had since start of his AIT as PVT/E1. Can not begin AIT until Clearance has interim approval. As his career progressed he needed a TS clearance to hold the better jobs for career progression. They both knew if he lost his clearance his job in that MOS was lost. He might be able to reclass to new MOS or a less desirable MTOE slot but career advancement lost if your clearance is taken away. He hinted that it was his wife's decision to file for divorce rather than ruin his career. I knew it hurt him bad because he really cared for her.
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SGM Joel Cook
SSG Jennifer Cole - while I was a 1SG at Fort Drum, NY I had a young SGT who got married and was setting up his first household. He needed to buy everything, like furniture, washer, dryer, refrigerator etc. He made a bad decision on taking a loan for about $12,000 to buy that stuff. His new wife got laid off about a year into their marriage. They really needed her income to repay the loan. Long story short they defaulted on the loan and the loan company sued them, they lost all the stuff then he lost his security clearance for nonpayment of loan. My last year there he got chaptered out for inability to have the Secret Clearance needed for his MOS. The Army G2 Security personnel really do feel that your inability to make wise decisions makes you a big target for SAEDA predators.
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If you have debt and you aren't actively working to pay it off or you can't show the investigator your attempts or plan in place to pay it off, then it affects your ability to get or retain a clearance. I processed like 150 SF86 packets in my first unit. I saw so many different types of issues come up.
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To tell the truth, it's complicated and heavily nuanced. As simply an N+1 story, I married a Ukrainian born and raised woman that was an Army Reservist with one tour in Iraq. She earned her citizenship and was highly valued because of her language skills.
My clearance was placed under review every 6 months for 2 years, which took an amazing amount of time away from my squad and developing the abilities of my TLs and joes. While being told that it wasn't related to my marriage, it was very odd the timing and frequency of the reviews.
My clearance was placed under review every 6 months for 2 years, which took an amazing amount of time away from my squad and developing the abilities of my TLs and joes. While being told that it wasn't related to my marriage, it was very odd the timing and frequency of the reviews.
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SGT Mike Taylor
#Didyoudonate
John Holmes was a fellow SNCO to you and can't feed his kids.
Why h8 when you can donate, spread the welfare around whore.
All libes materz.
John Holmes was a fellow SNCO to you and can't feed his kids.
Why h8 when you can donate, spread the welfare around whore.
All libes materz.
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A TS or higher being put under review every 6 months seems taxing for everyone. I would like to know more about how, and what you went through.
Because I'm likely to be in a similar situation soon.
Because I'm likely to be in a similar situation soon.
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SFC(P) Richard Warren
"We get it, you're poor and retired. Keep milkung that welfare check and VA disablilty payment welfare whore. Leave conversations to the adults, child."
Maybe you should take your own advice there Buck Sarge. You say ignorant things like that and every single Combat Wounded Veteran in here loses all respect for you. You show your ignorance amd lose all credibility. Here's hoping you never break your neck in an IED attack and rely on VA for care and compensation.
Also, what kind of leader speaks to his superiors that way? You're an embarrassment to the NCO Corps.
In fact, you're a damned joke, son. There is no way that you were reviewed every six months for two years. It takes almost a year for most TS/SCI clearances to even get granted.
SMH....you're the reason that RallyPoint can't be looked at as a professional forum anymore.
Maybe you should take your own advice there Buck Sarge. You say ignorant things like that and every single Combat Wounded Veteran in here loses all respect for you. You show your ignorance amd lose all credibility. Here's hoping you never break your neck in an IED attack and rely on VA for care and compensation.
Also, what kind of leader speaks to his superiors that way? You're an embarrassment to the NCO Corps.
In fact, you're a damned joke, son. There is no way that you were reviewed every six months for two years. It takes almost a year for most TS/SCI clearances to even get granted.
SMH....you're the reason that RallyPoint can't be looked at as a professional forum anymore.
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