Posted on Nov 13, 2014
Is the phrase "Rank has its privileges" against the NCO creed?
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There is an air in the National Guard younger soldiers that I have noticed that they think that they DESERVE better than their superiors. They think because that they are younger and have been to basic that they are OWED things.
This is my basis. There was a newly promoted Specialist that was in a room of 8 bunks. 3 top, and 5 bottom bunks. Their was 3 Sergeants and 5 Specialists. The sergeant comes into the room and requests that one of the 4 Specialists need to move and give up the bottom bunk. The sergeant has 14 years of service and is 45 years old. He has not only put in his dues but also has the rank and the time in service over the other Sergeants and the Specialists. There was 3 requests and then told to move to a top bunk. the other Sergeants would not help the other sergeant in the validity of the request and there had to be a Staff Sergeant involved in the decision making process. The Specialist the had an issue with being told to move but eventually moved.
What is the view of the members of this great site of the mentioned situation, and how would you have handle such a situation.
This is my basis. There was a newly promoted Specialist that was in a room of 8 bunks. 3 top, and 5 bottom bunks. Their was 3 Sergeants and 5 Specialists. The sergeant comes into the room and requests that one of the 4 Specialists need to move and give up the bottom bunk. The sergeant has 14 years of service and is 45 years old. He has not only put in his dues but also has the rank and the time in service over the other Sergeants and the Specialists. There was 3 requests and then told to move to a top bunk. the other Sergeants would not help the other sergeant in the validity of the request and there had to be a Staff Sergeant involved in the decision making process. The Specialist the had an issue with being told to move but eventually moved.
What is the view of the members of this great site of the mentioned situation, and how would you have handle such a situation.
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The Specialist should have moved, period! Yeah, I am a LTC, but my first ten years were enlisted; seven of them as an NCO. The creed may say "I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety.” There is nothing in there about not getting the respect you deserve as an NCO. The respect you earned. There is certainly nothing in the Creed that absolved the Specialist from giving an NCO the cutesy and respect they deserve.
Furthermore, why are there Enlisted Soldiers bunked with NCOs? Unless this is an open bay situation, I am lacking an understanding of why this is. A single team leader can bunk with his team. Two team leaders and the Squad Leader with thier squad. but unless there was a "chain of command" reason for bunking these Soldiers together, I believe they need to be seperated.
Second, if those other three Sergeants don’t want to be the bad guys and support a fellow NCO they need to go back to being Specialists. One of the hardest things I can remember doing when I first became a Sergeant was to tell people who were my peers last week to get off their butts and do some work. But if you don’t want the responsibility, then you should stay a Specialist. Moving from E-4 to E-5 is a hell of a lot more than a pay raise. Deal with it.
All this may make me old school but that is fine with me.
Furthermore, why are there Enlisted Soldiers bunked with NCOs? Unless this is an open bay situation, I am lacking an understanding of why this is. A single team leader can bunk with his team. Two team leaders and the Squad Leader with thier squad. but unless there was a "chain of command" reason for bunking these Soldiers together, I believe they need to be seperated.
Second, if those other three Sergeants don’t want to be the bad guys and support a fellow NCO they need to go back to being Specialists. One of the hardest things I can remember doing when I first became a Sergeant was to tell people who were my peers last week to get off their butts and do some work. But if you don’t want the responsibility, then you should stay a Specialist. Moving from E-4 to E-5 is a hell of a lot more than a pay raise. Deal with it.
All this may make me old school but that is fine with me.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
Sir, thanks for your response. There was a room designated bit that got screwed up. And Im as well old school but in the unit im in the NCO isnt backed by the CoC. That is one of the reasons I will be tranfering to another unit.
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LTC (Join to see)
Gotta go where you can make a difference. I have found there are two types of units in the Guard and Reserve: Good units where the troops want to train and where the leaders have high standards; and Weak units where they whine about everything, drink coffe (or beer) all day long, and collect a paycheck. Eventually, you will find a Good unit. Gook luck.
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LTC (Join to see)
Perhaps he should. But don't take my belief that an NCO deserves respect to mean that I think that NCO can sit on his fourth point-of-contact all day and drink grape Nehi. He also better be sure that his Soldiers eat before he does; they hit the rack before he does; and they are not unfairly singled out for duty. Nor should he use them as stepping stones on his rise to greatness. It is a two way street.
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"I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety." That says it all right there. The SGT was in the wrong and should have handled it differently. That's just from the info given about the situation. The soldiers come first, as they are one of our primary concerns.
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SGT Bryon Sergent, the situation could have been handled differently, why didn't they just take the three top bunks down and make five beds on the floor level....and give the SPC the option of making it happen or doing the duffle bag drag to the other bed.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
the size of the room did not allow the suggested alternative CSM. But he ultimately did the shuffle.
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1SG (Join to see)
I wish more thought like you do, CSM Michael J. Uhlig. I have been in several AT situations where taking apart and/ rearranging the furniture was not allowed by the garrison CSM or Mayor's cell or other such control parties.
But, I digress. I feel the situation was handled incorrectly as well.
But, I digress. I feel the situation was handled incorrectly as well.
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