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Obviously, there is no justification for the murders in Paris and I am so glad that this idiots took two the chest and one to the head. Personally, I find political cartoons amusing. However, did Charlie Hebdo just go too far? Apparently, the cartoon(s) in question go back to 2005 and originally the product of a Danish newspaper:
1. Sep 05: Danish pub publishes cartoons, call Muhammad a terrorist
2. Oct 95: Egyptian paper condemns images; 10 Muslim embassies filed complaints
3. Jan 06: Norwegian paper re-prints cartoons; two Muslim countries recall their ambassadors
4. Jan 06: EU offices attacked in Gaza; France, Italy, Spain, and Germany pubs re-print cartoons
5. Danish and Norwegian embassies attacked in Damascus
6. Feb 06, Charlie Hebdo republishes cartoons, French president calls this an "overt provocation."
7. Feb 08, Danish paper re-publishes cartoon, attempts made to murder editor
8. Now 08, Charlie Hebdo offices burnt, after they use cartoon of Muhammad on cover
9. Sep 12: Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoon of Muhammad nude; magazine sued and web site attached.
10. Jan 13: Charlie Hebdo publishes illustrated bio of Muhammad, titled "Perfectly Allah."
11. Jan 15: Well, we know that
By now, we all know that Muslims have an issue with the depiction of Muhammad as a matter of idolatry (look it up, I had to), so why keep doing it? .
I could be wrong, but I don't recall ever hearing of a Muslim magazine publishing cartoons of Jesus naked.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-magazine-attack/charlie-hebdo-shooting-12-killed-muhammad-cartoons-magazine-paris-n281266
1. Sep 05: Danish pub publishes cartoons, call Muhammad a terrorist
2. Oct 95: Egyptian paper condemns images; 10 Muslim embassies filed complaints
3. Jan 06: Norwegian paper re-prints cartoons; two Muslim countries recall their ambassadors
4. Jan 06: EU offices attacked in Gaza; France, Italy, Spain, and Germany pubs re-print cartoons
5. Danish and Norwegian embassies attacked in Damascus
6. Feb 06, Charlie Hebdo republishes cartoons, French president calls this an "overt provocation."
7. Feb 08, Danish paper re-publishes cartoon, attempts made to murder editor
8. Now 08, Charlie Hebdo offices burnt, after they use cartoon of Muhammad on cover
9. Sep 12: Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoon of Muhammad nude; magazine sued and web site attached.
10. Jan 13: Charlie Hebdo publishes illustrated bio of Muhammad, titled "Perfectly Allah."
11. Jan 15: Well, we know that
By now, we all know that Muslims have an issue with the depiction of Muhammad as a matter of idolatry (look it up, I had to), so why keep doing it? .
I could be wrong, but I don't recall ever hearing of a Muslim magazine publishing cartoons of Jesus naked.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-magazine-attack/charlie-hebdo-shooting-12-killed-muhammad-cartoons-magazine-paris-n281266
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They have the right to publish whatever they want, however just because they have a right doesn't mean exercising that right is always the right thing to do. I have the right to walk down streets controlled by gangs at 2AM in the morning... however that doesn't mean I should do it. If I do for whatever reason decide to walk down those streets, I should be prepared to deal with situations that might arise. It doesn't seem to me, like Charlie Hebdo was making any serious effort to prepare for an attack that he had to know was coming.
I hope they catch and bring to justice all those criminals involved in this attack... and i hope and pray that the horror and evil evidenced by these attacks fuels progressive reform within the worlds second largest religion.
I hope they catch and bring to justice all those criminals involved in this attack... and i hope and pray that the horror and evil evidenced by these attacks fuels progressive reform within the worlds second largest religion.
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CW4 Ray Montano
Mark, there appears to be one female that escaped and is in the wold. However, there is no way these clowns did not have help setting this all up. I am still a bit confused over the details of the second incident and the connections people appear to be making. Trial? Why? Why spend the money and the time. Buddy, I spend a long while at GITMO, these guys are not going to spend any time thinking of any evil, because they do not believe they are doing any evil.
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CW4 Ray Montano I agree, all of the weaponry used in the attack was illegal in France... this had to be more than a few people who decided to do something about cartoons they didn't like. As for trials, it's because we are decent and good people who want to minimize the chances that we are punishing the innocent. It's not because the terrorists deserve them. I'm opposed to torture, however how hard would it be to confront these people (those who target civilians) with the pain and suffering they have caused until it breaks through their indoctrination. There is an Iraqi TV show that is confronting IS terrorists, taking them to the places where they committed their crimes and allowing them to be confronted with some of the people who have suffered loss at their hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFD7uAMTbJk
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I don't think so. I look at Michael Moore who as the right to say anything he wants (politics, religion) and am ok with it. I disagree with much of what he says, but he has the freedom to do it.
If Michael Moore took his same rhetoric and applied it to Islam, he would be just the same. Bill Maher release a video ridiculing Christianity. But they have every right to do it.
Many of the extremists don't want anything that challenges there viewpoint. If you look at the difference between Sunni and Shia, it isn't significantly different. Yet they go after each other like they are heathens.
If you look at the history of the paper, on average that is 1-2 a year. There are some that do 1-2 a day!
If Michael Moore took his same rhetoric and applied it to Islam, he would be just the same. Bill Maher release a video ridiculing Christianity. But they have every right to do it.
Many of the extremists don't want anything that challenges there viewpoint. If you look at the difference between Sunni and Shia, it isn't significantly different. Yet they go after each other like they are heathens.
If you look at the history of the paper, on average that is 1-2 a year. There are some that do 1-2 a day!
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I don't think it's justifiable to kill somebody over a spoken or written word or expression through art.
Also, just to split a hair here...Charlie Hebdo made fun of everybody. They are/were a very left wing liberal magazine that also took pot shots at Catholicism. This isn't some sort of instance where a "Christian" magazine made fun of Muhammad. It's misleading to state that you don't see Muslim magazines publishing cartoons of a naked Jesus when this isn't the opposite of that.
Just like we shouldn't blame the victim of a rape because they wore provocative clothing we shouldn't blame Charlie Hebdo for their murder of their cartoonists and employees.
The only thing I can blame them for after all the years of this building up is this; If they truly valued their own and their employees' lives they would have had much better security.
Also, just to split a hair here...Charlie Hebdo made fun of everybody. They are/were a very left wing liberal magazine that also took pot shots at Catholicism. This isn't some sort of instance where a "Christian" magazine made fun of Muhammad. It's misleading to state that you don't see Muslim magazines publishing cartoons of a naked Jesus when this isn't the opposite of that.
Just like we shouldn't blame the victim of a rape because they wore provocative clothing we shouldn't blame Charlie Hebdo for their murder of their cartoonists and employees.
The only thing I can blame them for after all the years of this building up is this; If they truly valued their own and their employees' lives they would have had much better security.
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Sam, I see your point also. This is not a matter of blaming anyone. These radical Muslims are as insane as they are violent. The world is better off having three less. Having said that, a young woman has the right to walk around in a thong bikini, at 1 am, and through the streets of Detroit. The theory of victimology does support the idea that, while legally in the right, she (or he, I guess) did contribute to the crime.
Look, just because we have a right to do something, does not mean we need to do it. You are legally allowed to walk through town and calling every African-American you come across the "N-Word." However, are you going to do it? And if you do, don't you bear part of the blame for getting your ass beat silly?
Look, just because we have a right to do something, does not mean we need to do it. You are legally allowed to walk through town and calling every African-American you come across the "N-Word." However, are you going to do it? And if you do, don't you bear part of the blame for getting your ass beat silly?
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Yes and these bullies know we are acquiescing to bullspit and sadly by people who should know better. I believe liberals are insane and contrarian . Period.
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Oh yes, CW4 Ray Montano I'm an advocate for the lady in the thong at 1am to learn to carry concealed or open even, in said thong. She should be ready to defend herself. It doesn't give the rapist any excuses though.
Which is why I point out that Charlie Hebdo should have had better security. They had ample warning and reason to believe this would happen and it was foolish not to better prepare for it.
All of that said, there's still no excuse for the attack itself.
In your example of walking through town and name calling. I would yes bear some blame...My actions, however, would not justify the attacks on me. Calling somebody a name doesn't justify an attack. Is it provoked? Yes. Is it Justified? No.
I pity the person so weak that words can hurt them.
Which is why I point out that Charlie Hebdo should have had better security. They had ample warning and reason to believe this would happen and it was foolish not to better prepare for it.
All of that said, there's still no excuse for the attack itself.
In your example of walking through town and name calling. I would yes bear some blame...My actions, however, would not justify the attacks on me. Calling somebody a name doesn't justify an attack. Is it provoked? Yes. Is it Justified? No.
I pity the person so weak that words can hurt them.
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Sam, I agree with you. It's a religion thing and much crazy has come from that. There is nothing that can justify what these guys did, not the crap the rest of these fanaticals are doing.
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