Posted on Feb 4, 2014
Why is it easier to make on the spot corrections with NCO's than Offiers/Warrant Officers?
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Exactly- Everybody's a safety, 1SG! no matter what it is. whether it's a uniform descrepancy, inappropriate dialogue, or plain unsafe behavior. I am always polite though
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Perhaps its a matter of tact? I don't know any Warrant that wouldn't appreciate someone pointing out a deficiency so they aren't walking around looking "jacked up". Anyone who takes offense to a tactful correction may have a larger issue at hand than just an ego problem.
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SSG (Join to see)
I have always approached anyone from E1 all the way up to the officer chain the same way, in the most professional that I can. I state what the regulation says and I go on about my business. If they aren't in my direct chain I inform them then leave it up to them to do the right thing.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Very true. At a certain age or level of maturity/experience, you understand how to make people aware of things without calling them out for all to see/hear.
I have made senior NCOs and Officers aware of minor uniform stuff by simply catching their attention and discreetly pointing to the area that needs correcting on my own uniform. In almost every case, the message is received and understood. Most of the time I get a "thank you." Sometimes it's just a nod of the head. Either way, the respect between both is recognized.
You don't have to embarrass people in order to help them out.
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Could also be attitude while making the correction. I've personally witnessed the same SGM correct a SPC and a CW3 for the exact same uniform deficiency (trouser leg had come unbloused from the boot).
While talking to the SPC, he said 'Specialist, your trouser leg is unbloused' in a normal tone of voice. The SPC stopped, looked, said 'Oh, thanks SGM! I didn't even see it', and fixed it.
When he encountered the CW3 a couple of days later, he said 'What's the matter with you Mr. X? You think you're better than us now that you've crossed over, you can walk around with your trouser leg unbloused? Fix your jacked up shit.'
That CW3 said nothing, fixed his trouser leg, and walked away from the SGM. The SGM hollered after him 'You're welcome, you rude individual...you could respond after all'.
Yeah...looked to me like that CW3 practiced restraint. I want to be him when I grow up.
While talking to the SPC, he said 'Specialist, your trouser leg is unbloused' in a normal tone of voice. The SPC stopped, looked, said 'Oh, thanks SGM! I didn't even see it', and fixed it.
When he encountered the CW3 a couple of days later, he said 'What's the matter with you Mr. X? You think you're better than us now that you've crossed over, you can walk around with your trouser leg unbloused? Fix your jacked up shit.'
That CW3 said nothing, fixed his trouser leg, and walked away from the SGM. The SGM hollered after him 'You're welcome, you rude individual...you could respond after all'.
Yeah...looked to me like that CW3 practiced restraint. I want to be him when I grow up.
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CW3 (Join to see)
I figure Karma will bite that SGM (he wasn't a CSM) in the fourth point of contact sooner or later.
I'm just in awe and admiration of the restraint shown by that CW3..... that's something to emulate.
I'm just in awe and admiration of the restraint shown by that CW3..... that's something to emulate.
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SGM (Join to see)
Some of what we are missing from this story is what else might have happened prior to the chewing (previously blew the SGM off, etc.). That being said, I completely disagree with how the SGM handled the problem. When I am dealing with my Officers, I do it respectfully, even when we have a disagreement. This type of behavior reflects poorly on all SGM/CSMs. He is only doing because at the end of the day if he goes and gets the LTC, the LTC is going to stick by his side. I personally never try to put my Commander in that position unless it is an Officer blatantly violating the standards, and then not correcting the problem when I approach them professionally.
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CW3 (Join to see)
I can hardly believe that anyone WANTS to walk around with their trouser leg unbloused from the boot. I sure don't. I've discovered it on myself and fixed it immediately. I'd say that wasn't blatantly violating a standard at that point, but you're right, SGM Cameron...we don't have the full story. I only witnessed it in the PX parking lot, and knew neither of the two individuals involved, and based on the tone of voice used, I wasn't getting in the middle of things.
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SGM Cameron,
You stated, "He is only doing because at the end of the day if he goes and gets the LTC, the LTC is going to stick by his side."
I have to respectfully disagree with the above statement. If the SGM goes to the LTC AFTER being disrespectful, then he loses ground almost immediately. He will have to explain why he articulated such behavior as pointed out by CW2 Walker:
'What's the matter with you Mr. X? You think you're better than us now
that you've crossed over, you can walk around with your trouser leg
unbloused? Fix your jacked up shit.' The SGM hollered after him 'You're welcome, you rude individual...you could respond after all'.
Who will want to stick by anyone's side with that type of behavior? I believe the only time a SGM has the LTC's ear when dealing with Officers is when he or she remains professional at all times. Professionalism holds more rank, than the "rank" itself, in my humble opinion that is.
Your comment was spot on SGM when you stated, "I personally never try to put my Commander in that position unless it is
an Officer blatantly violating the standards, and then not correcting
the problem when I approach them professionally."
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CW3 Jones
You stated, "He is only doing because at the end of the day if he goes and gets the LTC, the LTC is going to stick by his side."
I have to respectfully disagree with the above statement. If the SGM goes to the LTC AFTER being disrespectful, then he loses ground almost immediately. He will have to explain why he articulated such behavior as pointed out by CW2 Walker:
'What's the matter with you Mr. X? You think you're better than us now
that you've crossed over, you can walk around with your trouser leg
unbloused? Fix your jacked up shit.' The SGM hollered after him 'You're welcome, you rude individual...you could respond after all'.
Who will want to stick by anyone's side with that type of behavior? I believe the only time a SGM has the LTC's ear when dealing with Officers is when he or she remains professional at all times. Professionalism holds more rank, than the "rank" itself, in my humble opinion that is.
Your comment was spot on SGM when you stated, "I personally never try to put my Commander in that position unless it is
an Officer blatantly violating the standards, and then not correcting
the problem when I approach them professionally."
V/r
CW3 Jones
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