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Females couldn't make it through the Marine IOC. Is that stopping the push? Absolutely not. Now they are saying 'we aren't expecting Marines to lower standards, but they need to justify why standards are so high'.
That's Liberal talk for 'we are getting the standards lowered'. If they can't pass the fair way, they'll cheat. This is nothing new with the Feminist Movement. When they were talking about putting women in the Marines, this same sort of double talk was occurring. Eventually, there was a middle ground met. They didn't want an influx of Sub-Par Marines, so women got their own Fitness Standards. Now, lowering standards across the board is their only option to get Women into Infantry Officer positions. Otherwise it's a PR nightmare to say 'women can't do it, but in order to force them through, they need easier standards'
......it's only through complete P.C. Arrogance that someone would ask why STANDARDS are so high. And this is typically coming from Civilians, or female military personnel who got in by having a second set of easier standards.
.....in my opinion, just having this conversation means the conversation is lost. They are going to lower standards and a lot of people will unnecessarily die. Welcome to the New Corps.
That's Liberal talk for 'we are getting the standards lowered'. If they can't pass the fair way, they'll cheat. This is nothing new with the Feminist Movement. When they were talking about putting women in the Marines, this same sort of double talk was occurring. Eventually, there was a middle ground met. They didn't want an influx of Sub-Par Marines, so women got their own Fitness Standards. Now, lowering standards across the board is their only option to get Women into Infantry Officer positions. Otherwise it's a PR nightmare to say 'women can't do it, but in order to force them through, they need easier standards'
......it's only through complete P.C. Arrogance that someone would ask why STANDARDS are so high. And this is typically coming from Civilians, or female military personnel who got in by having a second set of easier standards.
.....in my opinion, just having this conversation means the conversation is lost. They are going to lower standards and a lot of people will unnecessarily die. Welcome to the New Corps.
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Cpl Robert Masi , overall, it almost sounds like you have a general dis-agreement with women in military. With statements like "If they can't pass the fair way, they'll cheat." and "They didn't want an influx of Sub-Par Marines, so women got their own Fitness Standards." i did not "cheat' when I joined and graduated boot camp, I passed all the same tests, drill, crucible, rifle range. And I have come across quite a few women on active duty that can out-do a lot of the men on the fitness performance with the MALE standards. Does that mean that the men that are weaker than them are sub-par? I wouldn't say so. What you're also not accounting for, is that the difference in the fitness test was done not because women are "weaker" as you put it, but have different physical build and muscle distribution.
With that said, no, I don't agree with lowering standards to allow women to join. If they want to be a part of that specific MOS, they need to train, and get there physically.
With that said, no, I don't agree with lowering standards to allow women to join. If they want to be a part of that specific MOS, they need to train, and get there physically.
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Well said. I don't see why they can't try. If they fail then they don't have a leg to stand on. But if we don't let them try we aren't being impartial. So many out there are quick to judge. I say let them try.
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I never said I have a disagreement on women in the military. The disagreement is where the standards are lowered to allow more women in....and then having the audacity to complain that certain MOSes, that are more physically critical, are closed off to them.
If you can pass the same male standards and equally train with the males, no problem. If you enjoy the pass, through Politically Correct DOUBLE STANDARDS, well you are not actually a Marine. You didn't earn it.
If you can pass the same male standards and equally train with the males, no problem. If you enjoy the pass, through Politically Correct DOUBLE STANDARDS, well you are not actually a Marine. You didn't earn it.
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The Corps' been preparing for this fight from the beginning. That's why we did so many experiments. Non of the female Marines who attempted want any of the standards lowered. None of the Commanders are entertaining the possibility. We'll be the ones to keep the standards high, we always have been. We will continue to be.
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Cpl Robert Masi
I have my significant doubts. Just like when a survey was taken to repeal DADT.....they skewed the results to look positive, despite the truth about how people felt.
I think you underestimate Democrat/Liberal hate of the military
I think you underestimate Democrat/Liberal hate of the military
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In my opinion, I don't think so. I had friends that did ITB that could meet those male standards, and earned whatever their 03XX designation was and now they are in the fleet doing their original mos. and watching the different studies, I still think that if you can't match standards, you don't deserve to be there. It'll get people killed to have females, even males, leading Marines, 03's, in battle where those standards are required.
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Here is my point in a nut shell. we need qualified, motivated people in the Combat Arms. I don't care what their Gender is, or Race, or Nationality or sexual preference. I need someone who can do THEIR JOB!
As a wise NCO told me years ago, know your Job, Do your job.
The world is full of threats, we need smart, competent leaders who can lead no matter the gender !
And a final point: Female Service members have been serving in impromptu combat Arms roles in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Enemy attacks doesnt see race or gender- they want to KILL ALL OF US.
As a wise NCO told me years ago, know your Job, Do your job.
The world is full of threats, we need smart, competent leaders who can lead no matter the gender !
And a final point: Female Service members have been serving in impromptu combat Arms roles in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Enemy attacks doesnt see race or gender- they want to KILL ALL OF US.
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