Posted on Jun 18, 2015
Group urges drone operators to refuse orders to fly. This presents an interesting Ethical Issue regarding the Due Process. Your Thoughts?
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From the Air Force Times.
I am wary of the use of drones, however I believe they are a valid means of reducing American Casualties. That said, I believe there are definitely some ethical concerns regarding their usage.
The article presents one based on Due Process, and the US Service Member. I realize that War or Authorized Use of Military Force does not normally "apply in the same ways" (can't think of a better way to state that at the moment) to Due Process, however when we are going after non-State targets, this concern is exacerbated.
I would love to hear some additional arguments. Pro or Con.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/06/17/anti-drone-group-launches-new-effort-knowdrones/28859999/
I am wary of the use of drones, however I believe they are a valid means of reducing American Casualties. That said, I believe there are definitely some ethical concerns regarding their usage.
The article presents one based on Due Process, and the US Service Member. I realize that War or Authorized Use of Military Force does not normally "apply in the same ways" (can't think of a better way to state that at the moment) to Due Process, however when we are going after non-State targets, this concern is exacerbated.
I would love to hear some additional arguments. Pro or Con.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/06/17/anti-drone-group-launches-new-effort-knowdrones/28859999/
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When was the last time we attacked anyone anywhere with due process. No different than the groups that want all service members to quit. You can always disobey a lawful order. Up to you. You should be prepared for the consequences.
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1LT William Clardy
Really, SSG (Join to see)?
What would our legal basis be for that claim? And why would a snatch operation against U.S. drone crews suspected of killing civilians in Yemen have any less legal validity than our snatches of terrorists in other countries?
You might want to consider the Norwegian treatment of the Mossad agents arrested in Lillehammer after they assassinated a waiter as a possible precedent here.
What would our legal basis be for that claim? And why would a snatch operation against U.S. drone crews suspected of killing civilians in Yemen have any less legal validity than our snatches of terrorists in other countries?
You might want to consider the Norwegian treatment of the Mossad agents arrested in Lillehammer after they assassinated a waiter as a possible precedent here.
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1LT William Clardy - We are at war with organizations that are not nations states, should one of those organizations become a nation state we should make a point of declaring war against them immediately. No third world government has the luxury of sitting on the sidelines in this case, they either tacitly allow us to struggle against terror in their territory or they become our enemies.
The Norwegian treatment of Mossad agents who assassinated someone in Norway is completely different. First, because Norway has a government capable of policing violence within it's borders... any threats to Israel or Israeli interests originating within Norway should be handled in cooperation with the government of Norway. Second, Israel isn't a superpower and there is no good reason for Norway to be afraid of them. Yeman isn't able to properly police it's country and it has to understand that if they can't eliminate the terror threat themselves, someone else (US) is going to do it for them. If the US is actively engaged against terror threats in a country and the country sides with the terrorists, that government has very good reason to be afraid of us.
I'll add that if Yeman becomes capable of policing their country and eliminating terror threats on their own... the legitimacy of those drone strikes begins to plummet.
The Norwegian treatment of Mossad agents who assassinated someone in Norway is completely different. First, because Norway has a government capable of policing violence within it's borders... any threats to Israel or Israeli interests originating within Norway should be handled in cooperation with the government of Norway. Second, Israel isn't a superpower and there is no good reason for Norway to be afraid of them. Yeman isn't able to properly police it's country and it has to understand that if they can't eliminate the terror threat themselves, someone else (US) is going to do it for them. If the US is actively engaged against terror threats in a country and the country sides with the terrorists, that government has very good reason to be afraid of us.
I'll add that if Yeman becomes capable of policing their country and eliminating terror threats on their own... the legitimacy of those drone strikes begins to plummet.
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TSgt Rafael Lebron
I agree, everyone needs to make their own decision and be ready to pay the consequences for those decisions
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TSgt Rafael Lebron
Just because we have not declared war on them is not the issue here, everyone seems to forget that they have declared war on us and we need to respond in kind
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I think drones belong in a combat zone personally. Using them inside our country poses major ethical questions relating to the 4th amendment and potential spying on American citizens without due process. Just my $.02, I'm sure some will disagree!
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Wow. A bunch of military veterans (some of which are retirees) are asking service members to disobey lawful orders. How about they put their money where their mouths are and decree that they will support those that follow their requests. This would include these service members' families as well. I guess that will never happen, but these wind bags will never shut up.
How about pull a John Kerry and throw your medals in a river first? No? Whatever.
Allow these service members to do their jobs and do exactly what they are capable of doing. If a pilot of operator cannot perform their duties because of their religious or moral views allow them to remove themselves from that program.
How about pull a John Kerry and throw your medals in a river first? No? Whatever.
Allow these service members to do their jobs and do exactly what they are capable of doing. If a pilot of operator cannot perform their duties because of their religious or moral views allow them to remove themselves from that program.
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