Posted on Sep 5, 2015
If a Soldier is up for a Qualitative Management Program (QMP) board for elimination from the Army, should they lose NCOES reservation?
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While most will be separated, you ought not take something away this opportunity to professionally develop them unless the board made the decision for removal and the results are released.
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MSG (Join to see)
I just got a message from my old unit (AMEDD NCOA) regarding a SSG who is up for QMP. The SSG's reservation was canceled due to his impending QMP and that the STEP program has established a new OML that concentrates on SGT(P) with highest promotion points taking precedence over all others.
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With out knowing all the details I am reluctant to sway one way or the other. I do know that There used to be a thing called CCF ( Corrective Custody Facility) that dealt with sm's where the COC felt the Sm could turn around and retain them in the military.I have been told this is a thing of the past and its a shame as everyone slips up and deserves a 2nd chance if they want one in the military ( depending on the infraction of course).
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You are correct. Shaming, hazing and negative motivators are shunned in the 'new' Army (of which I agree). However, the QMP specifically targets SM who have received specific reprimands, that do not have to be of serious criminal nature (i.e. any ART15 will get your file reviewed for SSG & above). The Army implemented a Select, Train, Educate, Promote (STEP) program last month that requires all SM of the rank beyond their NCOES education level to have completed that a particular level of school. For instance, if you are a Sergeant (E5), you must have completed WLC (formerly PLDC) to keep your stripes. The ALARACT gives you twelve months from date of promotion, however, the new Order of Merit for ATRRS reservation moved away from SGT's who hold the rank, without completing WLC, to SPC(P) who have the highest promotion points. Bottom line, you can be a SGT and not have WLC and NOT be given a course reservation. Interesting dilemma.
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SGT Michael Glenn
Wow!!... Things have changed! I would say that I believe that if your a NCO and its been more than a year since you were promoted... there is something Hinky about that and I would be concerned too! Either a COC is derelict in their duties or the SM is, in the Coc's eyes not ready for the school which would raise the question to me, why is that Person being retained, so yes, now that you explained it I would have to retract my initial vote from undecided to a firm yes. Back in the day (man I love that saying!!) you were looked at if you stayed a certain rank for x amount of years, a SGT who had held that rank for lets say 10 years was dropped. I am glad I showed enthusiasm to my COC and they sent me to PLDC and BNCOC pretty much back to back as regs allowed them too.
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Unfortunately I believe they should lose it. The NCO selected for QMP should focus on thransitioning rather than wasting a slot for someone else.
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SSG (Join to see)
Just because they are getting looked att doesn't mean they are actually getting kicked out.. that's what I don't understand, so your punishing the soldier?
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MSG (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see) - The thing is we get looked at during the SFC, MSG, SGM boards. So in reality you won't know if you are being "looked at" or being selected at all. It's after you have been selected and notified is the main problem. In the end, you aren't punishing the soldier or anyone in that matter, you are just affording them time to prepare and transition out and preparing someone else to move up.
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MSG (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see) - Also lets not forget there's a difference between QMP and QSP.
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