Posted on Sep 18, 2015
What costs does the state incur when sending a soldier to an Army course?
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With shrinking budgets, I'm trying to understand what costs my state NG would have to fund to send a soldier to school. Do they simply have to pay for orders and travel? Do they actually have to pay the schoolhouse for the slots? What if the slot is allocated to NGB? The more detailed the response, the better! Thanks!
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CPT (Join to see) - I like the last name, SSG. When I was an instructor, I once asked the Course Manager what the cost was to put one of these NCOs through BNCOC (now called ALC). He didn't know. I suppose it depends on who's counting and how. What chaps my ass is - and you see this all the time in the ARNG - there's no money to send a high speed to school, but somehow, there's sufficient funds to send a slug. I have heard of and seen that happen so many times I lose count.
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1SG Michael Blount
MAJ Ken Landgren - My guess is that Soldier has been in the system for so long that she's basically retired in place and figures all she has to do is blink and breathe.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
1SG Michael Blount - You are probably right. It was funny when we had our Sync meetings, I was the only AC officer amongst 20 NG officers.
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States funding for the NG is minimal as most of the funds are federal. When we sent soldiers to train we paid for their travel and per diem. None of the schools asked for reimbursement. In some instances where the soldiers are helping the Federal Government, we would get a Federal Fund Site.
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MAJ Ken Landgren Thanks for your reply. This was exactly the info I was looking for. Why are states so hesitant to let soldiers attend a school in lieu of AT if the costs are essentially the same? Any idea? Thanks!
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MAJ Ken Landgren
I cant speak for in lieu of AT. Lets say I am the budget officer for a TSC with 6 battalions. The 6 battalions will ask for travel money for conferences and visiting down trace units. I get told the budget is $2,100,000 and the battalions have sent up their funding request. If they don't request the training travel funds, it makes it tougher to get funds. Another aspect is key personnel must get off their butt to something happen. I spent 2 years with a large NG and it was my observation that half worked hard and the other half did not care.
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The unit (probably AA level) pays the travel cost: airplanes, bus,etc.
Salary to send soldier comes from manpower( 14 days or more ) . States manage NG
Cost of the instructors to teach the school come from Operations and Maintenance dollars or active military personal dollars depending on the school.
Supplies, ammo , and stuff for course probably comes from a revolving fund or centrally funded G-4 cost center.
Food is also central supply center.
The codes should be on travel order in a long line of accounting. It's like appropriation, program, processing center, element of resource, accounting center. One of the resource codes represent travel allowance and base pay ( 2ZTL or 2ZMT something). As a reservist, I have not memorized the thousands of arbitrary cost codes and stuff because they change DFAS 100 every year and I have no access to accounting systems.
Inquire about the program if they give dollars to help travel. Yellow ribbon does stuff like that. There is a transaction called a Military interdepartmental purchase (MIPR) to transfer funds and use other budgets money.
Salary to send soldier comes from manpower( 14 days or more ) . States manage NG
Cost of the instructors to teach the school come from Operations and Maintenance dollars or active military personal dollars depending on the school.
Supplies, ammo , and stuff for course probably comes from a revolving fund or centrally funded G-4 cost center.
Food is also central supply center.
The codes should be on travel order in a long line of accounting. It's like appropriation, program, processing center, element of resource, accounting center. One of the resource codes represent travel allowance and base pay ( 2ZTL or 2ZMT something). As a reservist, I have not memorized the thousands of arbitrary cost codes and stuff because they change DFAS 100 every year and I have no access to accounting systems.
Inquire about the program if they give dollars to help travel. Yellow ribbon does stuff like that. There is a transaction called a Military interdepartmental purchase (MIPR) to transfer funds and use other budgets money.
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So the state only has to pay for travel and salary? The rest is covered by whoever runs the schoolhouse, which is then reimbursed by big Army?
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Yes. State pays only travel. The big army funds the school house. And the big army funds the state NG ( states by law need to balance the budget so they can't support a militia without federal dollars). Its budgeted by program, so neither the schoolhouse or NG actually do full cost accounting. They only track their own pots of money.
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1LT your a little off. Each state receives a certain amount of requirements that has funding that goes along with it. Each state gets X- amount of quotas to go against these requirements. Each State gets a said amount of 2065 Funds (this is for equipment) and said amount of 2060 Funds ( This is for personnel). Both of these pots come from the Feds. Here is where things get confusing the states ask for these requirements years in advance but don't know what they will be funded with until close to the end of the fiscal year. I can tell you with 100% certainty that this year all states are hurting on school money. Priority is NCOES this year.
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