Anyone have experience with Civilian Mass Casualty Planning?

2016-09-20T12:22:42-04:00

I am looking for anyone with "white mission" planning experience for some guidance. Specifically, decontamination logistics planning. I am trying to develop or find numbers for things like amount of decon solution per person. I also want to know if STB is used in these situations, or just a 1:10 solution of typical household bleach.

Anyone who can provide guidance, post or contact me plz.

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Sep 20 at 2016 12:32 PM

2016-09-20T12:32:24-04:00

My old unit had a "white" mass decon mission. I'm probably too far removed from the mission now but I might be able to find someone to help you.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Sep 20 at 2016 1:59 PM

2016-09-20T13:59:46-04:00

We executed plans for both Haiti and Fukushima although the later devolved more into a mass dependent evacuation while everyone else stayed away. I believe you're talking about a CBR type event. I was Skipper of Environmental Engineering Unit Pacific around 15 years ago. We had an operational mission to clear MSRs but that revolved more around heavy use of HTH, wearing MOPP gear while you did it, etc. Most planning over say a city getting slimed somewhere relates to perimeters, i.e. heavy, moderate, low, safe dependent on what's used, weather conditions, etc. There are modeling tools that you use to establish this stuff and putting the right resources into the correct location, and then executing the response. Obviously the main problem is avoiding needlessly spreading contamination. These plans tend to be thick and not for amateur consumption. They all conform to and are executed to the ICS format so anyone coming in from outside the area can fall right in. One area where there will be a collision between public interest and reality is much of the area just needs to be left alone and let time will do its job. So we focus on the people. Although bleach is good for many things, there's stuff that pretty much doesn't care about bleach until you get it in high enough concentration to be effective but then it's a problem with the body. Everything is a trade off. When I was the Navy Regional Ops Center N-4, we had these plans which were integrated with state, county, and local response and depending on the event would either host everyone working the response management in our ROC or the State one at FT Lewis. We did spend more time on strategic asset stuff along with DoE but that was the nature of our business. BTW for the West Coast, the big planning revolves around earthquakes, volcanoes, and more recently ArKStorm.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 20 at 2016 7:28 PM

2016-09-20T19:28:55-04:00

I fear that we will be needing this training in the very close future. Japan is the SME in this field. They should have been on speed dial with Katrina. That entire country knows what to do, where to go, etc etc. All those earthquakes, landslides, and tsunamis have made them very efficient. I pray we are sending our FEMA people to Tokyo. They have computers that can show what happens to city X widen nailed by power outages, natural and man made disasters, etc. They can put their plans of action in effect and watch different scenarios plan out. There are some amazing simulator videos online.

Response by MAJ Michael Pauling made Sep 27 at 2016 9:28 AM

2016-09-27T09:28:19-04:00

Reach out to http://www.cbrne.army.mil/

Response by MAJ Michael Pauling made Sep 27 at 2016 9:28 AM

2016-09-27T09:28:42-04:00

http://www.cbrne.army.mil/

Response by SGT James Murphy made Sep 27 at 2016 12:06 PM

2016-09-27T12:06:41-04:00

I would be interested in the Answer(s) to your question.... Please cc me as well. From what i can tell there is NO Civilian Mass Casualty Planning....

Response by SSG Rick LePage made Sep 27 at 2016 1:10 PM

2016-09-27T13:10:33-04:00

Check out the National Disaster Life Support Foundation for information.

You don't use bleach to decon people.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2016 1:49 PM

2016-09-27T13:49:43-04:00

Good afternoon, I'm the former 1SG of a MA Unit also the former case manager for the 92M MOS (Mortuary Affairs) I provably have what u need to accomplish your mission, I will need an email so that I can send what I have, i.e. slides, AR's, FM's Memo's, search and recovery operations, etc.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2016 1:53 PM

2016-09-27T13:53:23-04:00

TMEP - Theater Mortuary Evacuation Point, MACP - Mortuary Affairs Collection Point, MADCP - Mortuary Affairs Decontamination Collection Point, PE DEPOT - Personal Effects Depot

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2016 2:58 PM

2016-09-27T14:58:10-04:00

I would recommend getting a copy of the Management and Treatment of Chemical Casualties from USAMRICD. In fact, you could probably call them and they would be happy to help with that kind of information. If you are a 68W or have any part in a MasCal situation, they have the Field Management of Chemical Casualties. It would give you some great hands-on experience with decon.

Response by CPT Brian Archer made Sep 28 at 2016 10:37 AM

2016-09-28T10:37:10-04:00

SFC Squires, Contact the National Guard in your state. They should have a Homeland Defense Brigade. Also they should have a CERF-P all they do is plan and train for domestic emergencies, Mass Casualties, Mass Decontamination.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Sep 29 at 2016 12:54 AM

2016-09-29T00:54:14-04:00

http://www.odemsa.vaems.org/docman/MCI/NDMSOpsPlan2CentralVa200304.pdf

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Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2016 1:40 PM

2016-09-29T13:40:06-04:00

Will this help

Response by SFC Michael Madigan made Jul 16 at 2019 9:55 AM

2019-07-16T09:55:35-04:00

Good Day
STB is not used on mass casualty decon on people at all. The primary solution would be water an or soap and water, for example Dawn Dish washing soap is an excellent decon solution to use with water. Any further questions please contact me.

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Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 16 at 2019 12:48 PM

2019-07-16T12:48:26-04:00

Contact ARNORTH. It is a combative command for disasters and emergencies.