Are entry-level 35Ls promoted to E5 upon completion of CISAC?

2023-01-12T07:11:39-05:00

Hi,
Department of the Army Pamphlet 611-21 states that a Soldier must be E5/SGT after training for accreditation as a CI Special Agent. IIRC this was written before CI was opened as an entry level MOS, but if it still applies wouldn't that mean that CISAC graduates must be promoted to E5 similar to how 18X contracts work?
If not, what do lower enlisted CI guys do?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2023 8:58 AM

2023-01-12T08:58:24-05:00

sPecial Agent?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2023 11:03 AM

2023-01-12T11:03:12-05:00

Griffin Cederquist Here are three previous posts that have to do with the entry level 35L MOS.

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-35l-still-entry-level-since-it-was-changed-in-2019

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/since-35l-has-recently-been-made-entry-level-does-anyone-know-what-the-roles-duties-will-be-as-lower-enlisted

Is 35L still entry level since it was changed in 2019? | RallyPoint

Both my National Guard and USAR recruiters don't know whether its just because there aren't any openings or whether you can still directly enlist for 35L. Note: the Army website says it is entry level. (https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/signal-intelligence/languages-code/35l-counterintelligence-agent.html) Whereas the Army Reserve website indicates it is not entry level....

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 12 at 2023 11:35 AM

2023-01-12T11:35:26-05:00

They made the change from previous service to entry level but that will not include an NCO grade. There is a lot outside of being a CI that an NCO has to Be, Know and Do. You may have a negotiated entry offer of E4.

As for comparing 35L to 18 series, they are nowhere near the same accept to say that 18 series can receive training the CI realm.

So it is very specialized it is not the same as 18.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2023 11:13 PM

2023-01-12T23:13:55-05:00

Found searching on internet supposedly last updated 20 September 2022.

Entry Level Requirements:

No record of conviction by court-martial or Article 15 proceedings including felony arrests or convictions
No history of color blindness, mental or emotional disorders
Valid Driver’s License
At least 20 years old
High School Diploma plus a score of 101 in the Skilled Technical (ST) ASVAB test
No physical or medical limitations

In-Service Requirements:

No felony or court-martial convictions
At least 21 at CI Special Agent Course completion
High School Diploma plus score of at least 105 Skilled Technical (ST) ASVAB test
In-service Soldiers at E4 (PZ and SZ) or E5
Normal color vision

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2023 1:47 AM

2023-01-13T01:47:03-05:00

The DA Pam, if you've read the correct one, was not written before 35L accepted entry level applicants. Also, contrary to popular belief, 18X are not automatically promoted either, they are promoted in the normal manner and are required to attend a promotion board, their points are just so low they pick up as soon as they meet all the requirements.

The requirement to pin SGT is completing BLC. Once a 35L completes AIT and BLC they will be promoted immediately to SGT.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jan 18 at 2023 10:59 AM

2023-01-18T10:59:43-05:00

Back in my day, the new agents worked SAEDA down on Hay Street in Fayettenam. That just bar after bar and lots of young GIs. Rough area even the K9s patrol in pairs, Army K-9 and FPD K9 side by side. New young agent blends right in. They were issued Colt Cobras and unmarked Ford Mavericks. Prolly a semi auto today and a current make of car. BTW, they were 97s back then.