Are fake disabilities affecting other Veterans?

2015-09-09T11:09:52-04:00

So I met this guy the other day that is a gym buddy of our kids (20 and 17 year old). Obviously I don't know the entire story but he is 100% disabled for hearing and his back. The moment I met him I wanted to call bullshit. He walked in our home looking like a cartoon superhero and started talking about his workout. He does parkour, and extreme weight lifting. And has since he was in and now that he is out. That immediately raise a flag of bullshit beyond him explaining to us his philosophy on working out and people. He also started to go into his time as a leader in the Air Force...he got out as a E4. I quickly identified him as "that guy". So anyways.

I live in constant pain from protruding disc in my neck. It is intensified by any variety of things but mostly just doing shit. I have days where I literally just want to lay in bed with my percocet in hand and try and numb myself to feel a little normal again and other where it just feels like some one is punching me over and over. I am 50% broken. I don't claim to be more or less broken than I am and don't really care that much about how broken I am I just avoid doing stuff that makes it a percocet day.

So my questions are this;
People that may or may not be using the system are they really hurting the system?
Do you care if people fake disability to get more from a system?
How would you handle your kid around this guy who you know is a freaking idiot?

Response by SGT Scott Bell made Sep 9 at 2015 11:11 AM

2015-09-09T11:11:54-04:00

yes I'm 80% and working on 100%

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 11:12 AM

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I personally think that we are entitled to our disability, but dislike the whole "go run 5 mile before your physical and no pain killer the week before". I get what I deserve but no more.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Sep 9 at 2015 11:16 AM

2015-09-09T11:16:57-04:00

SSG Richard Reilly I know a guy that gets disability for Gulf War Syndrome...and he was never even IN the gulf.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Sep 9 at 2015 11:17 AM

2015-09-09T11:17:36-04:00

If he is 100% for hearing he ranks a XI / XI on testing. That means
1. 34% or less Word Recognition &
2. 98+ db Pure Tone hearing loss.
In other words, you would not be having a conversation with him.
So I call BS.

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Response by SSG Leo Bell made Sep 9 at 2015 11:20 AM

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The people who fake there disabilitys do hurt the ones of us trying to get what we need. I know that I use to work out but my doctor advised me that it I kept doing it that I would need more surgerys and would mess myself up more. So I quit working out.

I can't really say that if I care they fake there disabilitys and get more than what they deserve because the system is broke n I don't know a way to fix it.

I would tell my kids the truth about the guy though. There is no E4 that is a true leader in any service. Just have them watch there selves and it might be a good idea to limit there being around him till you can stop them from being around the gym with this guy.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Sep 9 at 2015 11:26 AM

2015-09-09T11:26:09-04:00

SSG Richard Reilly I'm on 100% because of issues related to neck trauma. So I can really empathize with you.

If you think this guy is gaming the system, and know who he is, you should call the VA IG and report it...

Response by SGT Robert Zuniga made Sep 9 at 2015 11:26 AM

2015-09-09T11:26:25-04:00

I agree that we really can do nothing about it. I have seen people in law enforcement that receive 100 percent. There is a guy here now that is receiving 100 percent. Plus his pension. Now he is in LE. I am not judging him because it is his perogative. Meanwhile I had 16 injuries and only got 20 percent. Not even for the major ones. It's all craziness.

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Sep 9 at 2015 11:29 AM

2015-09-09T11:29:47-04:00

Definitely hurting Veterans with real disabilities,if for no other reason than the time and energy spent on them that could be put to better use on Veterans that have true disabilities.I am not naive enough to think it will change,the fakes will keep coming.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 11:31 AM

2015-09-09T11:31:08-04:00

I have seen a few too. They claim all sorts of disabilities, but are on no meds and live life as a happy clam. I wonder how they managed to sell their issues to some doc?

Response by SGT David T. made Sep 9 at 2015 11:32 AM

2015-09-09T11:32:30-04:00

As with anything there are limited resources. Every fake or embellished claim is a drain on those resources which limits what vets can get who actually need it. So yes I do care deeply about this issue. I don't have kids so I cannot speak to how I would react in their presence but I would call him out on it.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Sep 9 at 2015 11:34 AM

2015-09-09T11:34:06-04:00

I'm leery of the SuperVets that are running around. But remember this; while we have vets that are playing the "game" the "game" (VA) has been in business of playing vets for 60 years. And they've never had to make a fourth quarter come back drive like millions of vets have had to do, just to end up running the ball when they should've passed (VA has ALL of the Superbowl rings). I feel for those denied their proper benefits and I sincerely hope they get them in short order, but I think it's long time that we vets get Rodgers in the game to thrown that needed fourth and goal touchdown against the "patriotic" VA defense. VA's defense (buracary) is hurting the system. Their personal sense of judge, jury, and executioner, is hurting the system, and the very system they use on us is killing us slowly while permitting them to continue the claims backlog.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 11:41 AM

2015-09-09T11:41:47-04:00

Your BS meter was certainly working well that day. And, if he truly is 100% disabled from service related injuries (if he even served), next time in the gym, get a video of the guy lifting the weights and carrying a normal conversation and report his lying cheating stealing ass to the VA and the police for fraud and theft.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 11:42 AM

2015-09-09T11:42:04-04:00

You know there are going to be some, it's a shame for them to back the claims system up for those that have legitimate disabilities. I also think the way disabilities are rated needs to be reevaluated. An example I have questions about is Rep. Tammy Duckworth. Duckworth has a VA disability rating of 20 percent, despite having had both her legs blown off and losing significant use of her right arm. Can anyone explain why her rating is so low?

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 9 at 2015 11:42 AM

2015-09-09T11:42:45-04:00

I would hate his guts. He is hurting the system as money is a finite commodity.

Response by CPL Eric Allen made Sep 9 at 2015 11:48 AM

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My hearing is bad but one ear and they didn't even give me a % for it just batteries for life and as for him being a 100% I doubt it

Response by SGT Kristin Wiley made Sep 9 at 2015 12:11 PM

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I wouldn't be so quick to judge him. There has to be a decent amount of evidence for the VA to rate him at 100%. It's not an easy rating to get. I have what's considered an 'invisible illness', which means no one can tell there's anything wrong from normal day to day interactions. I do weight lifting, because it's easier to do then cardio with my condition. He may also have behavioral/mental health disorders. If he really is 100% disabled, chances are he doesn't feel comfortable disclosing his full medical history to just anyone. He may also be on a variety of medications that allow him to seem physically healthy.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Sep 9 at 2015 12:29 PM

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I hear you, Sergeant. Even tho is makes us mad as hell, suspecting that he might be faking, we don't know what's inside his head. I'm 60% broken myself, but no missing limbs. I do have knee and back injuries, but do not take any "hard" meds for them, just live with the constant pain - most of my injuries are psychological. My point is, we shouldn't try to "one-up" each other about our disabilities. Living in constant pain is no fun. Take care.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Sep 9 at 2015 12:51 PM

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When I lived in the William Booth Center Off Maynard Ave in Seattle ( a homeless shelter for Vets) I saw the naked reality about vets and the lies they tell just to get disability. Drugs were the main reason most of them chose to "fake" what ever they were receiving disability for, the pay was another. I would set there and listen to them throughout the day talk to other "new" Homeless vets and tell them step by step what they should do to get the maximum effect from the VA. Pills would sell for sometimes 70.00 a pill !!! depending on what it was. It made me sick.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 1:16 PM

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There is a vast sea of veterans out there who claim to have a disability with no real problems at all, and use that fakery to the max. It does hurt veterans who have a legitimate disability, but as you know there will always be these D-bags out there. I would try to route your child away from this dude, just in case some of the D-baggery would fall off and your child might step in it. One can only hope that in the mighty world of karma, this guy gets his!

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Sep 9 at 2015 2:45 PM

2015-09-09T14:45:10-04:00

If he is 100 percent for hearing and back then he is using the system and if they found out they would take his money. His back alone would hinder hom from working out like he does if he is described as you said. But with out knowing the full history can't really say. But I hate when people use the system because either does hurt those that need it. Say a doc got used and he found out. He will now be give way more scrutiny to a guy who has the same problem and may even lower his rating or deni him. Even if he deserves the rating.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Sep 9 at 2015 3:22 PM

2015-09-09T15:22:13-04:00

I'll never understand the rating system. To me, 100% disability is just that. Completely disabled. A coma patient is 100% disabled. Christopher Reeve was about 95% disabled. If you can move on your own, you're clearly not completely disabled. If you can do anything AT ALL, you're clearly at least a percent able.

We really need to fix the system...

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 9 at 2015 3:29 PM

2015-09-09T15:29:59-04:00

Go get him, big daddy! This is the place to throw the BS flag. On a separate note, I had that same neck issue repaired and it was the most successful surgery I have received up to date. Shoot me a PM if you want. Maybe we can get you admitted into the zipper neck clan.

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Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 4:20 PM

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1) People that may or may not be using the system are they really hurting the system?
-If they are not using the system, they are not hurting the system.
-If they are using the system fraudulently, then yes they are hurting the system and making it harder for vets with legitimate service connected disabilities to be seen or get compensation.

2) Do you care if people fake disability to get more from a system?
- Yes, I 100% care. People who defraud the system should be prosecuted.

3) How would you handle your kid around this guy who you know is a freaking idiot?
- People who have little integrity tend to not find themselves anywhere around myself or my children. That's how I would handle the situation around my kid. If the guy is a parent in my son's cub scout den, I seriously consider withdrawing my kid. If he's a parent at my kid's school, I tell my kid that they should not trust a word that leaves the lip of that individual's mouth.

As for the leadership stuff... As an E-4 in the Air Force, you can be put into leadership positions. Usually after graduating from ALS. So, while I tend to lean towards not really, I would urge caution.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Sep 9 at 2015 4:24 PM

2015-09-09T16:24:58-04:00

Yes, he is adding to an already overloaded VA and I'm still fighting for 3 years for Disability. I even got denied for VA Medical! 6 years of outstanding service, medals with 2 bronze stars and a very technical MOS. This guys sounds like a BS artist and I would explain to your son exactly what he is and be thankful there aren't more like him.
Thanks,
Rick

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Sep 9 at 2015 5:05 PM

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I have mixed feelings about all of it, because I understand where the money comes from. On the other hand, they broke us. This is one of the many reasons I oppose adventuristic/expeditionary warfare. (and, yes, I DO have an Expeditionary Medal).

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Sep 9 at 2015 5:13 PM

2015-09-09T17:13:37-04:00

Never mind payments. Sometimes, it's hard enough just to get the VA to treat the injuries we received on active duty deployments. Like all bureaucrats, their #1 mission is to say NO.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Sep 9 at 2015 6:40 PM

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The amount of fraud in the VA system is directly comparable to the amount of normal fraud. About 5%. Yes, there will be jokers, but they will be rare (1 in 20).

However, and I need to stress this. The Dept of VA lawyers got LIT up by SCOTUS because their Appeal Overturn rate was better than 60%. The VA got it WRONG more than half the time initially, and that's in the wrong direction.

Now as to the specifics of your example, you also have to realize how "VA math" works.

100% disability for Hearing & Back, could mean something like: 80% Back + 50% Hearing, which will actually give you 90% (80% + 50% of the 20% remaining which gives you 90%)... however the VA "may" bump you to 100% if you have single ability above 70% and other abilities on top of it... The rules get super wonky.

Now it comes down to the actual questions.

People need to use the system. The more people that use the system, the better the system will be. The better it will be at finding the idiots. The better it will be at finding those in need.

I want the frauds to "try" and use the system. I want them to get caught. That's how we get a better system.

I would use the guy as an object lesson. I always tried to point out people who were important to my son. People who should be emulated. I also tried to point out those who should not be.

Response by CSM Jennifer Dehorty made Sep 9 at 2015 7:05 PM

2015-09-09T19:05:03-04:00

The current (overall) disability rating system was developed WWII era. The only way to get it 'updated' is for congress to make the changes to the U.S. Code. I posit that with the low number of veterans currently servicing in congress (nor having any desire to), that disability rating updating is not a priority. We (veterans) are a small part of the U.S. population and really aren't as vocal as other groups. Just my thoughts

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 7:13 PM

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From my foxhole, I've seen many who have "worked the system" for higher ratings. I'd like to see some fraud investigation on some of these folks.

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Sep 9 at 2015 7:49 PM

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The nature of pain and combat disabilities make jumping to conclusions risky.
My dad lost his hearing due to spinel meningitis picked up in N. Africa. The only way he would hear a 155 going off next door was feel it. He never received 100% despite being unemployable during that time period. He had also been bayonetted and bombed while under water in the Med. He usually appeared fine, but now I realize the weight of PTSD he lived his whole life under.
I'm now 80% but if you saw me climb into a racecar you'd say "WTF" I trade 3 hours in that racecar, my shrink office, for a later week of bed bound and Vicodin. My 80% is for hearing, PTSD, and some agent orange issues, although it should be for the 6 blown discs, stenosis and nerve damage from a large mine. I receive nothing for that so I guess it evens out.
Walk a mile in their shoes before calling someone out.
Better that we give to many undeserving than miss one that is.

Response by CSM Jennifer Dehorty made Sep 9 at 2015 8:43 PM

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When I first saw this post, I immediately was reminded of a piece written by a West Post prof that made the point of the current disability system pushing veterans to not wanting to pursue employment or even rehab for injuries. But I can't find it. The search continues

Response by CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner made Sep 9 at 2015 10:58 PM

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Like you, I have bad days and worse days. I am fused from L2 through to S1, so my entire lower spine cannot move. I had 4 back surgeries in 2 years and now the surgeon wants to operate on my neck! The people "faking it" are not my concern, I have enough to worry about without adding to it. If the relationship with a suspected faker is toxic, cut him loose! Stress adds to my pain, so I try to avoid those things that cause me stress. Just my two-cents!

Response by SSG(P) Claudett P Hillotero made Sep 10 at 2015 1:37 AM

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I myself I just got out 6 months ago from active duty due to RCP. I got out totally deaf in one ear, I suffered with sciatica nerve, Lumbar spinal stenosis in the back, degeneration of cartilage in both knees., and a whole host of other injuries and surgeries sustained while on active duty. I do so feel your Pain SSG Reilly. Having the sciatica nerve and lumbar spinal stenosis pain in your back is no joking matter. percocets are my best friends. I'm still waiting on an answer from the VA since April 30th. 2015 We are now in September pretty much going into October.

So that being said! I called it BS, if he had that time to go to the gym, and work out especially with a bad back pain no way., He's hurt I think not! He's just milking the system for money, and for people like us who are genuinely hurt getting sh**tted on. that's just my opinion.

I have worked with some one on active duty who did the same thing, but this person came in the military with back problems and did you not know, this person blame the military for hurting their back and got out 100% disability. It really pisses me off me off to see a great deal of these fakers walking around scamming the, and looking and lurking to see what illness another person has so they can get paid for some one else's hurt. I hope the system will one day be able to stop these "FAKERS" and held them to the highest responsibility of paying back all the money they've gotten, and give to the rightful people who really are disabled and deserved it.

I don't believe that they are hurting the system, I do believe that they are hurting themselves in the process of stealing from the system and the veterans who deserved their rightful benefits. This will get caught up to them in the long run. I would have my child, away from an idiot like that. To me that's dishonesty.

Response by SSgt Charles Edwards made Sep 10 at 2015 7:44 AM

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We really have no choice but to trust the doc's judgment when he was evaluated. Sure, he may have played the disabled card very well, but there's really no way to prove otherwise (unless you've got a lot of time on your hands). It can be easy to pass judgment. During my final year of service, I heard rumors that people said I was faking it. Considering how the rest of my time in the Air Force played out, I'm inclined to believe there was some merit to those rumors. What they don't know, is that nearly five years later, the same problem that bothered me then continues to be there today.

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Sep 10 at 2015 8:34 AM

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Yes. It takes away resources from those in need

Response by SGT Mark Stevens made Sep 10 at 2015 8:42 AM

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Well, the short answer is a shit-bag is a shit-bag and fraud is fraud. That being said, do you really know "that guys's" whole story? Has he latched on to you and your kids because he lacks mentorship?
People who knowingly defraud a system should be at the least investigated in my opinion. It does cause harm to other veterans because it makes it harder for the next guy to be believed and allocates resources to a person who normally would not be entitled to these resources. This also lessens the resources for others, the VA never has enough to go around to everyone. Bottom line, if this was welfare would you want to be paying this guys ticket to ride through life for free?
As for being around your kids, it sounds like they have a great rolemodel already in their father. If you can see he's a dirt bag they can probably see something's not right. Talk with them, if they have questions answer them for them but the minute you start telling them not to interact with him, it'll just make him that much more enticing. If you really don't want him around, take it up directly with him. Better to be upfront and honest then silent and pissed off about it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2015 8:58 AM

2015-09-10T08:58:07-04:00

I know what you mean! I have been fighting for my disability for 8 years and I seen some Vets get 100% off the back! And I have a host of problems also! Not only that I have doctor reports that are legit.

Response by PFC Al Sethre made Sep 10 at 2015 10:00 AM

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I always thought it was fishy that the Air Force veterans I worked with all had higher disability %'s than the Army and USMC vets. Then I found out they all claimed sleep apnea which is worth 40% by itself.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2015 10:40 AM

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Unless we are in the medical field and have completed a review of a veterans case we aren't qualified to call someone a "faker". Who are we to claim to know someones medical situtation?

I suspect there are quite a few veterans who are bilking the system. Is the veteran who submits a bogus claim at fault or the VA for approving it? I blame the VA.

Response by CW2 John Brookins made Sep 10 at 2015 2:36 PM

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I had the same neck and disc issue years ago. Most painful thing I've ever felt. Mine lucky slid back in place and off the nerve after about 6 months.

As to the fakes? My personal belief, based on those I've met is that there are that there is a high percentage of fakes these days. One tour, never left the FOB - medical retiree's abound the Colorado Springs area. But heaven forbid you call them on it.

Do, they hurt they system? Hell yes they do. That take valuable time from Doctors that should be seeing those that are honestly hurt. They create an impression on the civilians in the area that we are all full of S*&t.

They have figured out the system and used it to it's fullest. Again, if someone in the mil medical systems or VA calls BS, their jobs are on the line. I wish I had a solution for the problem but it will probably be around for a while.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Sep 10 at 2015 7:25 PM

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To answer your questions: Yes, fakers hurt the system. They take money, resources and time away from those truly entitled to disability compensation. Yes, I care, as should everyone. Bottom line: People are strange. Some claim to have been in the military when they have not. Some claim to be disabled when they are not. Ultimately, if you think this guy is a phony, get some evidence and submit it to the VA. Let them handle it as you may not have all the facts.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Sep 11 at 2015 6:45 AM

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My answer is yes. I work for a defense contractor and God bless em, they hire a lot of vets & retirees but I have noticed over the past 5-6 years especially that there are certainly too many DV Commandos out here and most of them, sleep apnea and minor aches and pains. Then there are the older fellows (like me) who spent years as flyers or tactical and are pretty much broken down (some from normal wear & tear) but others from years of banging on the body while AD and we do chuckle as we have our maybe 20% while the late 30-40 ish are at 50-60 percent because they snore or had knee surgery while on AD from too much racket ball. I listen to AD and recent retired troops today and all you hear is how they seem to automatically calculate X-$'s into their anticipated retirement check as if it is all a big joke.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Sep 11 at 2015 8:10 AM

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I'm going to throw out the bullshit flag. I'm rated at 0% for hearing loss in both ears and 10% for tinnitus in both ears.

So I would ask to see his DD214 and Statement of Disability from the VA. If he is who he claims to be he'll have no problem showing you his documents. If he's a poser (and I suspect he is) he'll say something like "I lost them" or "It's none of your business." Tell him to hit bricks and urge your kids not to associate with him.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Sep 11 at 2015 8:21 AM

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Every disability rating by the VA has to go through a lot of scrutiny, including X-Rays, MRIs, and Doctor's exams, before any rating is granted. I don't know if this guy is exagerating or not, but I would say to be very careful about assuming someones health based on their activities. Case in point. I supervised a person who everyone though was lazy, unmotivated, and a crybaby. She constantly complained of migraines and had tons of sick calls/doctors appointments. She eventually got out on a medical retirement for chronic migraines. Everyone assumed she just complained enough and the board granted it. A year later she was diagnosed with full blown degenerative MS, the headaches were an early indicator. Gradually she became wheelchair bound, and eventually committed suicide because she didn't want to burden her children with caring for her. Everyone thought she was faking and 'called her bullshit' --except she wasn't faking.

Response by SFC James Sager made Sep 11 at 2015 10:25 AM

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In 1967 the Army accepted me into service even tho I had Polio in 1953. My medical records showed I had Polio, but was capable to serve. In 1991 I was diagnosed with Post Polio Syndrome and because of this my muscles were deteriorating to the point that I could no longer pass the PT test. I had to retire. Now I am in a wheel chair, but because my disability is because of having Polio in 1953, and regardless of the fact that my muscle deterioration was faster then normal due to PT and my physical requirements of my job, I am not eligible for some of the VA benefits because the disease initially happened before entry into the military. 24 years service, 2 years of that combat, yet I am one of those that falls between the cracks. I am lucky to have retirement, but what of those who are not that lucky and also fall between these cracks.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2015 11:18 AM

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Here's the big question: Do you know this guy has a 100% VA disability rating? He could be just running his mouth.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2015 12:14 PM

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Yes. I would guess it's part of the VA's backlog.

Response by FN George Woodruff made Sep 11 at 2015 2:30 PM

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Yes, people who try to fake disabilities are nothing more than thieves trying to bilk a system that is already overloaded with veterans with real disabilities. If you observe them as you did they are easy to spot. As to the protruding disk in your neck have you considered surgery. I had a similar problem with a cord compression at C-2-C-3 and surgery with a fusion gave me back the use of my left arm and leg. Although I am 100 percent service disabled and have been for over 50 years this was not a service connected condition. It was caused by old age. Over the years since WW Two and the Korean War I have been in VA hospitals 27 times and have seen some of those phonies but thankfully not a lot. Most veterans who apply for service connection for disability do so because they really exist. I live in a VA Nursing Home, in Georgia, with seriously service disabled veterans of five wars and I guess the ones who try to fake it kind of turn my stomach.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2015 3:18 PM

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Yes it hurts the system, yes I do care that people take advantage of the system. It is no different then those taking advantage of the WTU system. I have seen this first hand and it makes me sick to my stomach because if you honestly live the Army Values you wouldn't be lying and taking advantage of a system that is already overburdened and understaffed and was originally constituted to help those come back from a "COMBAT ZONE", not a friggin stateside deployment where the most physical thing you did was get out of bed in the morning. I wouldn't let my kids near this guy with a 10 foot pole.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2015 6:46 PM

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I think those types of assholes absolutely do negatively affect truly disabled veterans. I think "back pain" and PTSD are the most-faked and most-easily faked disabilities, because it's nearly impossible to prove a negative to either one. There's no doubt in my mind there are a lot of fakers who are taking away the time and resources from the VA which should be used for those who truly need them. The sort of person who does that is the worst of the worst.

Response by SSG Jason Logue made Sep 11 at 2015 6:46 PM

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They are definitely affecting the care of other veterans. Especially those of us that have genuinely severe medical problems. I've had a double disc replacement for my C6&7, and although I was told there was nothing wrong with my lower back while on active duty, it turns out that my L5 had 4 fractures and part of the vertabre on the right was broken off and shifted 5mm to the right. I was Medboarded and discharged on 2 May 2012 (after 14 1/2 years TIS) and immediately sought medical care once I was discharged. I paid out of pocket to see 4 surgeons, and without telling each one what the other doc said, was told the same thing...4 fractures in my L5 with a break on the right side of my L5. I brought MRIs that were done, first one being in February 2009, and each doc identified the fractures and the break. I feel like skull dragging some of the fakes that I encounter at the VA, who brag about milking the VA, and go on to admit that they're perfectly healthy. The identification of Veterans who are claiming to be more injured than they really are, needs to be done quick, fast and in a hurry.

Response by SGT Anthony Rossi made Sep 11 at 2015 9:33 PM

2015-09-11T21:33:32-04:00

This kind of thing truly frustrates me. There are so many vets that are struggling to get the help they need while people like this steal those same Resourses from them.
This is a version of thievery at its worst.

Response by SSG James Bigbie made Sep 11 at 2015 10:10 PM

2015-09-11T22:10:15-04:00

Guys like that make it tough for vets with real disabilities to get help. They clog the system with claims and appeals, and take up space in clinics and hospitals. Report him to VAOIG, let them investigate.

Response by SGM Mike Hardin made Sep 11 at 2015 10:16 PM

2015-09-11T22:16:18-04:00

The VA will only set your hearing disability at 10%. No more the only way it will add up to more than 10% is for a war wound that blew out your ear drums. If he has 100% it is a combination of the back and the hearing. Mostly for his back, but to even get that he must have damn near broke his back to get it especially if he got out as an E4. If he is lifting weights (extreme lifting) he is bullshitting someone or does not have a disability for anything and is bullshitting you. A 100% disability for a young guy is for combat related injuries, and there are thousands of young guys and gals that qualify. But for every true combat related injured servicemember there are 5 scumbags that are stealing the true warriors valor and living the lie of someone else's pain.

Response by SPC Kortney Kistler made Sep 11 at 2015 10:36 PM

2015-09-11T22:36:11-04:00

A bro in my platoon took an IED blast driving a deuce and half. It didn't make him deaf, but it messed up his equilibrium (vestibular disorder) 100%. He can do things fine until it's a problem. Never knows when it's gonna hit him. It's like a bad case of narcolepsy, fine one minute then out the next.

Response by SFC Keith Bailey made Sep 11 at 2015 10:44 PM

2015-09-11T22:44:21-04:00

Yes, they hurt it very much. More than you may know. As you age and your 50 % grows and you truly need help to be there, You will find resistance every step of the way.. The VA first response is always NO.. There are lawyers who make a fortune getting Vets Gee Whiz disabilities while the rest of us just keep moving trying to GRUNT it out.. I was one, The older I get the worse my disability gets.. I did myself no favor by being a " Good " NCO after retirement.. They are not the same as we are. They are clerks who follow VA rules..

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2015 10:00 PM

2015-09-12T22:00:34-04:00

There definitely are those who do and sad because those in need could be in peril for losers like the extreme dude...

Response by PO1 Pete Sikes made Sep 12 at 2015 11:44 PM

2015-09-12T23:44:55-04:00

So you get to decide what is 100% disabled and what is not? BA\ased on your extensive medical education and a complete review of his medical records, perhaps?

Response by CDR Brian Rinaldi made Sep 13 at 2015 2:23 AM

2015-09-13T02:23:27-04:00

I would tell your kids what you believe to be true about him and advise them not to trust him. I think it's wrong and is probably taking up VA assets that could me better spent.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 13 at 2015 3:36 PM

2015-09-13T15:36:27-04:00

It hurts our reputation in the public's eyes.

Response by LCDR Mike S made Sep 14 at 2015 12:04 AM

2015-09-14T00:04:12-04:00

The system is geared to file a claim. There is a guy I know who tells me his son has problems. I say where was he ? He says doing secret stuff. The guy was a E-4 in Japan in the navy. His kid is out after 3 years or so and collecting for life because he can. On my third mob and have not filed yet. However when we process out the VA comes in and drills it into your head to file a claim. The system is geared toward failure and abuse

Response by COL Charles Williams made Sep 14 at 2015 12:31 AM

2015-09-14T00:31:45-04:00

I am 80% service connected disabled, and will likely be 100% when my appeals are finally considered SSG Richard Reilly. I was in the Army nearly 33 years, and after all that time, I had a lot of wear of tear.; most of us do. 100% disabled is a VA term, based on a cumulative accumulation issue by issue; it is also not simple addition. Neck, back, Knees, TBI, Eye injury (IED), and even health issues like sleep apnea and gastroparesis are all included. I have no veteran, DV, PH, or HC license plate, even though I could; nor would I ever. But, that is my choice.

Like SGT Kristin Wiley stated, I would be careful about judging. I was at Walter Reed one time visiting several of our WWs and on the way in I passed a WW would was moving fast on the way in. He had shorts and a tank on. Had he not, I would not be able to tell he had prosthetic legs and a prosthetic arm.

100%, 90%, 80% etc are VA terms based on the sum of many things.

I would be careful about judging, but the BS flag is your right. I also know many who work the system. Two for example, I know... could not deploy... but still run marathons and triathlons.... They are both 100% SC disabled....

Response by MSG David Johnson made Sep 30 at 2015 1:00 PM

2015-09-30T13:00:40-04:00

I dislike seeing these Veterans that are doing the same as your described Veteran.
There are too many of us who are broken on the inside and don't look like there is anything wrong.

Tell your kids the guy is full of crap, since they are old enough to understand. As for the guy himself, you might want to check with your local VA's Ombudsman, or patients advocate.

Response by PO1 Cliff Heath made Oct 8 at 2015 2:51 PM

2015-10-08T14:51:57-04:00

SORRY FOR YOUR PAIN SSG KELLY AND YES THIS GUY IS TAKING THE PLACE OF A VET WHO HONESTLY NEEDS HELP I AGREE WITH SSG LIVINGSTON

Response by PO1 Kenneth Cardwell made Oct 10 at 2015 1:31 PM

2015-10-10T13:31:43-04:00

I have osteoporosis from ankle surgery, Carpal tunnel, lost of hearing, and 6 other disabilities, yet I still stay in the gym when I can. I sail with Mariners rated 100%. Some barely can move at times, but they still sail. Never let a person's looks fool you!

Response by Cpl Terry Fowler made Oct 30 at 2015 10:07 AM

2015-10-30T10:07:26-04:00

You should vido him and turn his ass in

Response by SGT Forrest Stewart made Dec 7 at 2015 12:27 PM

2015-12-07T12:27:44-05:00

I wouldn't let my kid hang around with someone that wants to teach them how to lie through their teeth in order to get someone else to take care of them. Tell him to either fess up to his BS or just stay away.

Response by Cpl Kurt Prinz made Dec 7 at 2015 8:39 PM

2015-12-07T20:39:07-05:00

Fucking disgusting. I am totally disabled and have been fighting for disability for years. People like this deserve a throat punch.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 5:51 PM

2015-12-12T17:51:41-05:00

Yes, they are stealing.

Response by SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity made Apr 29 at 2017 11:39 AM

2017-04-29T11:39:38-04:00

I think there are some former service members out there that take advantage of the system. I remember working as a federal contractor and working with some folks who were surprised that I didn't have disability coming in. If i made it through my time alright I'm certainly happy that I did. It bothers me that some will fake things or exploit the system in place. For example if I claim this it can not be verified and I'm guaranteed to get x...y...z compensation. For those who have service connected things use what's out there for you. For those who are making things up. I'd say knock it off.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 29 at 2017 12:05 PM

2017-04-29T12:05:35-04:00

You live with it. BTW, your situation is the same as mine, I declined VA disability and take the tax break with my retirement pay.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Aug 18 at 2017 4:06 AM

2017-08-18T04:06:19-04:00

1. Yes, they are hurting the system. They are taking resources and money away from those who legitimately need it.
2. I absolutely care. I turned in a friend for fraud to the VA and Social Security. And see above.
3. I would tell my kids of my suspicions and why it's wrong. Let them decide if this guy is worth their time. Here's the problem: You don't seem to really know if he is on disability or what his real situation is so it's kind of hard to make such accusations. Personally, I'd arrange an impromptu discussion with both him and my kids and start asking questions - see what happens.

It's hard to get a 100% rating - I know because I've done it (I'm in the reserves). I'm also on social security disability. I've been med boarded, barely meet the minimum retention standards and have a permanent profile. The only reason I'm still in is because my commanders have been respectful of my situation and I still have something to offer. There is a chance he is telling the truth, rehabbed himself but has never reported his "improved" status. Have you reported him to the VA? They will look into it. That's my 2 cents.

Response by PO1 Cb Step made Jul 27 at 2019 12:23 AM

2019-07-27T00:23:26-04:00

Not all disabilities can be seen.