As enlisted, how do you go about correcting officers and those more senior about uniform appearance?

SFC Gemma Lopez — Sat, 14 Dec 2013 20:40:36 -0500

As a NCO, I found myself correcting officers, young soldiers and peers on basic uniform wear and appearance. While the younger troops where more willing to fix themselves, those that outranked me, mostly officers, had an issue with it. I am tactful, for the most part. So, my questions are: 1. If you are an officer, do you know what the regulations are for wear and appearance of the uniform you and your Soldiers wear? If so, have you ever corrected your peers? And for my enlisted folks, do you correct other Soldiers, regardless of their rank, tactfully? Why or why not?

Response by CPT Laurie H. made Dec 14 at 2013 9:00 PM

CPT Laurie H. — Sat, 14 Dec 2013 21:00:29 -0500

Officers who have an issue with fixing themselves with regard to the wear and appearance of their uniform probably need an attituted adjustment. I know the regs and have corrected my peers, individuals who outrank me (once a TAC Officer when I was in OCS and I'll admit that was a little terrifying, but he took it well) and my Soldiers. If approached tactfully, usually everyone appreciate the correction. I know a lot of LTs, however, who wouldn't take it well if an NCO tried to correct them... that's the wrong answer. If I accidentally have something wonky going on with my unifrom and a PV2 points it out, I'm happy to fix it and respect their willingness to correct me.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2013 9:34 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Dec 2013 21:34:48 -0500

I am usually living out of a suitcase so I appreciate someone pointing out that my collar is acting up or I have a shoulder patch gone rogue.  It really doesn't matter who points it out - but the HOW totally matters.  <div><br></div><div>Comments that rub me the wrong way are anything along the lines of asking if I am aware of the regs (your question: "<span style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;"> If you are an officer, do you know what the regulations are for wear and appearance of the uniform?").  You may think you are being tactful, but there is no possible way to "tactfully" imply that a) I don't know the regs and b) I am intentionally trailing a boot lace as some form of fashion statement.  <br></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(77, 77, 77); font-size: 12px;"><br></span></div><div><font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 12px;">If you approach people (rank immaterial) with the idea that whatever is wrong is an honest mistake, and that your assistance in correcting the issue will be welcome, you will probably get a better reaction.</span></font></div>

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2013 10:52 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:52:33 -0500

Yes a good leader is not threatened by a respectful correction. Without animus or a negative attitude. That in itself fosters respect between service members.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 12:04 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 00:04:51 -0500

Stay Crispy!!!!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 12:07 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 00:07:53 -0500

As an Army brat, I was reading 670-1 for fun as a kid so it does bother me when I see leaders not leading by example when it comes to uniform. The worst habbit I have noticed is the whole hands in pockets thing. Anytime you see this, you must correct it. Soldiers are always watching.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 12:32 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 00:32:12 -0500

When I was a PVT, my Team Chief once said to me "If you walk by a violation of regs and do say nothing, you're just as wrong as they are". When I became a NCO, my PSG told me "If you walk by a deficiency and say nothing, you've set a new standard". I don't see violations and not correct them. I always use the appropriate amount of tact when I make a correction to someone who is Sr in rank to me. The response they give me may cause me to be a bit less tactful, but always proper when making the correction. I don't take grumbling about a uniform violation. If you're wrong fix it. The regs apply to every Soldier in the Army PVT to GEN. A typical on the spot correction from goes something like "hey SGM you're boot laces are out" or "SGM your collar is up"or "Did you know your name tape and US ARMY tape are backwards Sir?" Their response to said correction is what will likely, if anything, cause me to lose a bit of tact when talking to them about that correction. Generally speaking though, that doesn't happen too often because most will just say "Thank you" and fix the issue. There are those like you speak of though SFC Lopez, those are the ones that end up with an earful. 

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 5:37 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 05:37:07 -0500

SFC Lopez,

In my experience, Tact is the primary component of an effective on-the-spot correction.

One time I was in the Dining Facility when a CW4 came through the drink line wearing his headgear. I was confused, so I waved him over and quietly addressed him "Sir, I don't know if you know you still have your headgear on."

His response seemed to be the cocky "I can do whatever I want" because he said something to the effect of "This is my building."

Now, I had no idea why that would give him authority to wear his headgear inside while he wasn't under arms, but I just said "Roger, sir, I just didn't want you to be embarrassed" (or something like that.)

Immediately after returning to work, I asked my supervisor about the issue, and learned that you are REQUIRED to wear your headgear when you're working in the DFAC (duh, for sanitary reasons, obviously.) So the CW4 was right, but by being tactful and respectful, I saved MYSELF from being publicly embarrassed!!!

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Dec 15 at 2013 9:10 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 09:10:26 -0500

I always tried to correct any uniform violations that I encountered be it junior Soldiers, peers or superiors....I almost always did it in a tactful manner, unless it was something that was just so blatant that caused me an anuerism lol.....most of the time it was met with a positive response and corrected, sometimes not and then if it was a subordinate, it was handled with a little more harshness on my part; peers would just usually drive on or mumble some assinine comment if they were in that frame of mind; amd superiors usually just blew me off if so inclined. I say be tactful and make the on the spot correction, enforce the standard, but ensure that: 1) you KNOW the standard and 2) you are maintaining the standard yourself prior to making the correction!

Response by LTC Jason Bartlett made Dec 15 at 2013 4:38 PM

LTC Jason Bartlett — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:38:33 -0500

Yes and Yes

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 6:46 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:46:58 -0500

So this morning while waiting for a weigh in and PT I had my hands in the pockets of my PT pants.  1SG came up and said, "Are your hands cold sir?"  <div><br></div><div>"Negative 1SG" was all I could say as I took my hands out of my pockets.  I was wrong, nothing more to say about that.</div><div><br></div><div>I've heard others use the term "victim-less crime" when it comes to enforcing standards they don't like (a big one is use of tobacco in buildings which is covered in AR 600-63), but if you're sending the wrong message, it's not a victim-less crime.</div>

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 8:38 PM

1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:38:23 -0500

I have to bust your chops because you're asking a question about on-the-spot corrections, yet your photo shows you wearing ACUs with a hat that was NEVER issued!  It certainly isn't in AR 670-1!  ;)<br>

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 9:09 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:09:18 -0500

I don't think it should really be an issue. It may be hard to believe but I have even been corrected. I like to think I have been a jerk to that person but perception is in the eye of person making that statement. I have corrected NCOs and have been blown off. I personally don't like doing as it is not my place but this should only reflect the character of that soldier.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 9:56 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:56:08 -0500

On a side note I will never get over seeing stetsons. They just don't look right. Even more so in ACUs. I know I am not Cav and don't understand it. I like the history behind it but I just can't stop staring at it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 10:04 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 22:04:44 -0500

This is what this question makes me think about.

Capt Wedley - BN Disciplinator

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 10:23 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Dec 2013 22:23:28 -0500

As a 2LT I had to pull an LTC to the side and let him know, his name tapes were reversed. Tact is the biggest thing that saved my fourth point of contact. If you "assist" a senior ranking, or a junior ranking member instead of "correcting them" You can make a very good friend, by not embarrassing them and basically saying "I've got your six". Remember, that there is a time and place for an NCO to correct a person, i.e. they keep screwing up.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2013 1:22 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Dec 2013 01:22:01 -0500

The corrections that really piss me off is when I have to correct a peer or a senior, and they just shrug it off. Subordinates, they typically take the correction and if they don't they get a long explanation of why they're wrong and I will typically ask who their first line supervisor is and unit. With seniors and peers though...the attitude you catch is often surprising: "Check down not up." "Hey battle, I got me." "You been in as long as me Staff Sergeant? No...then move on" you'd think I was kidding but these are all exact quotes of seniors and peers when I make simple corrections.

I don't ever publically do it, I usually try to catch the person I'm correction in a discrete location, and just say "Hey sir/sergeant major/sergeant I noticed xyz" Too many leaders feel entitled these days.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Dec 16 at 2013 8:34 AM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:34:45 -0500

I have been corrected by NCOs a few times for minor uniform issues that I didn't realize -- and every time I thanked them for pointing it out. It's professional and the right thing to do.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Dec 16 at 2013 10:32 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:32:45 -0500

Reading this question and the replies below, two words come to mind "Check equipment". Regardless of rank, having someone come up to you in a professional manner and point out something to you may have not seen earlier is a good thing. If you aren't willing to say something to someone over something as simple as a uniform correction, how will you handle it down range? And the same can go for receiving the help. We are all humans and sometimes need a reminder or have something pointed out that we may not have seen. I think what you are doing SFC L is a great thing and keep it up.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2013 10:34 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:34:54 -0500

I understand your frustration SFC Lopez. I think most of these situations
depend on current moods and the setting. I can sympathize with your point because
I know when I was an NCO I felt that officers and NCOs should be beyond
reproach, so when I am corrected I try to remember that and then try to thank
the Soldier. But if they were not tactful I take them aside and tell them to be
more tactful in the future. At the same time this also happens to officers. I
have corrected Soldiers and NCOs and have found myself being argued with. This
always throws me off, how can a subordinate argue with a superior? Most of the
time it is for the same reason, situation and mood. Maybe that officer, NCO or
Soldier just came from a bad meeting or just got their butt chewed by their
boss? You never know. All you can really do when correcting a superior is to
let them know and then let their conscious eat at them (because it will). Your
situation is very similar to what officers deal with when it comes to saluting.
I can't count how many times I have had a Soldier fail to render the proper courtesy
and when confronted try to make an excuse as to why they didn't do it. The
worst ones I've experienced were the Sergeant Major and Senior Warrant Officers
(CW4-CW5). It seems that they don't feel an obligation to do the right thing
(not all just some). It can feel awkward to correct a CSM/SGM on their lack of
proper protocol especially when it is done in-front of Soldiers.

Keep doing the right thing SFC Lopez.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2013 11:23 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:23:42 -0500

Being new to the game I try to understand and follow the regs as much as possible. But always appreciate a tap on the shoulder and a "hey by the way... this is wrong". Better an NCO tell me it then me looking like a goober to my Soldiers.

I think that females thinking a pony tail and nails are authorized is unacceptable. These are things that have been regulations and established, and are taught at basic. But as long as the way you tell the person is respectful, I think no matter the rank that's ok

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2013 4:31 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:31:54 -0500

Around my office, on-the-spot corrections are a near-daily occurrence... You look over and notice the NCO in the next cubicle's collar is half-popped, or that someone's bootlace has come out...

You just politely and tactfully point it out, they say "thanks" and you move on...

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Dec 17 at 2013 4:45 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:45:01 -0500

<p>The approach I often take that has never failed me is this...."Sir, your _______ is a little off.  You mind if I fix that for you?"  Just about every time they stop and look at the deficiency and say "Oh wow, thanks." Then they fix it themselves.</p><p>I have rarely run into the idiot who cops an attitude about it.  If they do then I just make the correction (maybe loud enough that those around can hear) and move out.</p>

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 18 at 2013 9:28 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:28:42 -0500

I seem to have a very different view on the topic of "tact", at least as it pertains to this topic...

If someone makes a blunt correction on you, without "pretty please" on top of every sentence, and you outrank them, frankly that little moment of percieved rudeness is the least of your due penance. They should never have had to make that correction in the first place.

Instead of getting offended, try being ashamed for having to be corrected by your subordinates. Internalize the lesson and go from there, don't just turn it into a dramatic moment. That moment happened because of YOUR error, don't try to defelct it on the person making the correction.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2013 11:22 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:22:45 -0500

I had the same experience in Kuwait when the ACU first came out. I couldn't go anywhere without seeing name tapes and flags reversed. Some took it well some told me I was wrong. It got to the point where I would quietly and quickly inform someone and then move along. I actually had a MAJ chase me down to thank me, that was a nice change.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2014 8:43 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jan 2014 08:43:18 -0500

SFC Lopez,

I expect soldiers to make on the spot corrections but most soldiers lack the strength to make the littlest correction. It would excite me to see junior enlisted soldiers policing up their peers and for seniors and officers it should be a must. The junior enlisted soldiers expect their leaders to Be, Know, and Do, so if we can not correct one an other how do we as leaders expect them too.

V/R

1SG Haro

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2014 8:44 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jan 2014 08:44:49 -0500

I try to correct all those that I see wearing the uniform incorrectly. I see where you are coming from when it comes to those that outrank me also. I had a Captain tell me once to check down not up. It really issued me off, but I realized that he was a subpar Soldier to begin with. The ones that actually care about the uniformed service they are in will take pride in that uniform. They will correct the discrepancies ANYONE points out, as long as you do it tactfully.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2014 10:44 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:44:05 -0500

I think if you're going to correct someone, the first thing to do is to make sure that 1) you are not in violation of the regs and 2) ensure that you are correct in the perceived violation.

Then, while being respectful, make the correction at the appropriate time.

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 11 at 2014 10:43 PM

SFC James Baber — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:43:44 -0500

I think this is a good thread for those we are trying to get to join can see the substance of some things we discuss between us as current and former military, soft spoken as well as informational and mentoring types of postings.

We also have fun at times while remaining professional.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2014 9:06 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:06:13 -0500

In my experience its always been an issue with
"personal vs. professional". It’s our job as NOC's (Standard
Bearers), to make on the spot corrections regardless of rank. If you are tired
of making corrections, it may be time for you to find a new line of work. If
someone takes it personal, then it’s time to explain the "personal vs.
professional" aspect. It’s just a shame we have to do that these days... Have a great Army day all !!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2014 11:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:42:18 -0500

I believe that most Leaders can look at an individual and tell if it is a slip up (i.e. bun coming unraveled, boot lace coming undone, etc) and if it is just plain blatant disregard for the regulations and policies (i.e. talking and walking on cell phone, walking with hands in pockets, no headgear when filling up at gas pump, etc). So what is the difference between "Soldier, your boot lace is hanging" and "Soldier, your hands are in your pockets"? To me the difference is with the hands in pockets, the individual knew that they were in there and in the wrong and someone corrected them and that individual got mad about it and reacted unprofessionally.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 3:48 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:48:05 -0500

I was actually just part of an Airman's meeting that discussed this particular issue. We were told that if we saw someone out of regs that we should make sure we know what we are talking about first before correcting someone. Policies change nearly daily it seems and what someone could be doing/wearing may have been wrong yesterday but correct today.

We were told not only to police each other but ensure that our NCO's and Officers were wearing the uniform correctly. If there was something minor out of place the easiest thing to do is just say something. Obviously in a respectful and out of the spotlight so you're not drawing attention from everyone around you. Of course I would do my best to ensure that I knew what I was talking about before saying something.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 3:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:49:51 -0500

This brings up a moment when I was a PFC I saw a Major that didn't have a name tape on his PC. I stood there watching other soldiers say nothing to the Major including NCO's. So I walked over to the Major and tactfully informed the Major about the issue. He said thank you and proceeded to correct himself. Regardless of rank you are required to inform someone if they are wrong in a professional manner at all times.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2014 7:09 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:09:55 -0500

The word "tact" has been used a lot in this thread. Ask yourselves this. Are you being as "tactful" with those you outrank as with those who outrank you? Be honest with yourselves. If you approach all soldiers of all ranks in the same way, then good for you. If you find yourself quietly approaching that O-6 to tell him/her they have their rank on sideways, then bellow across the crowded motor pool at the E-3 with his ACU pants bloused improperly, that's hardly being tactful.

Response by LTC Joseph Gross made Apr 28 at 2014 2:04 PM

LTC Joseph Gross — Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:04:15 -0400

As a former NCO I have no problem correcting anyone who has a uniform deficiency and while I don't still keep ARs in the latrine, I do keep up on the important ones. I have corrected peers and superiors and was surprised to find a few that didn't know some of the basics...

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Jun 17 at 2014 10:32 AM

MAJ Jim Woods — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:32:53 -0400

As a Major reporting in to Ft. Lewis, I came out of the G-1 shop and a Spec 4 pointed out that I had my Overseas Cap on backwards. I thanked him for pointing it out and fixed it. I was always grateful for someone to point out some of the mistakes I've made.

Sometimes my brain goes faster than I like and makes it harder to multi-task. LOL.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2014 10:30 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:30:20 -0400

I, too, have run into officers who have been indignant at being corrected by an NCO. I have also see officers who were grateful for the corrections.
I have wondered why NCOs are given the task of setting uniform standards, and not officers. I have seen some, but I would like to see more corrections done by officers, especially on their peers.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2014 6:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 18:25:32 -0400

Yes often. Why. Because it is stated I. The regulation. Regardless of rank. I feel that if the person you are correcting is if higher rank. Then mabey they didn't notice it but should say hooha. Fix them selves and drive on. Instead of pride getting in the way and acting like a jerk

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2014 10:10 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:10:38 -0400

I have no issue if something looks wrong on my uniform and someone tactfully points it out. I do have an issue if someone comes up to me and barks at me like I am in a basic training environment.

I have had both. Once on a long overseas flight I had placed my sun glasses placed in between my flight suit collar. I put them their several hours before landing while I was in the cockpit. When I arrived at my destination after a 14 hours of flying across the pacific I still had them there when I got off the jet. It was one those things I did not even consider at the time, my main focus was turning in post flight paper work and going to lodging. While on my way to the lodging office a Master Sergeant sees my sun glasses in the wrong place. Instead of tactfully saying hey sir your glasses, he proceeds to bark at me. I did have an issue with that and corrected him. There was no need to be disrespectful, no matter what rank I was.

On the other hand I reported to a new unit from a PCS. My hair started to touch my ears in the rear. I did not notice that. The CSS MSG politely say I might want to get a trim before meeting the new boss. I agreed and was appreciative, I did not want to make a bad impression. I guess it goes to tact and how one handles things. If someone is tactful about then there usually is less flack. If someone is not, then they should expect the push back.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2014 1:29 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:29:46 -0400

Stay on them and never pass a violation.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Nov 15 at 2014 4:17 PM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:17:02 -0500

SFC Gemma Lopez , I will share a story of an assistance I paid a Senior officer. So senior in fact they had an enlisted aide. The enlisted aide or some other roaming jackal had reversed this senior officer's name tape and U.S. Army tape. I said, excuse me sir, may I help you with your crooked name tape? He said yes, and I changed them. He laughed and said SFC you could have just told me. I said yes sir and continued my mission. I am sure this officer knew the regulations. Many things at every level become overcome by events (OBE).

Tact is as important as knowing your audience. It is all our duties to ensure all Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and Coast Guardsmen appear professional. Be respectful and above all else be professional. If approached in that manner, most, regardless of rank, will appreciate your effort. I always treated others the way I wanted to be treated and provided respect. If the person I corrected did not appreciate it, then I remained professional.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2014 4:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:24:56 -0500

I've corrected a 2LT from another platoon once during pay-day activities. His ribbons weren't in order, and his Senior Enlisted Advisor never checked him, even after the company formation and inspection. I pulled him to the side where no one could see him and showed him the correct order along with telling him many ways to check the order of his awards and ribbons in the future.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2014 8:04 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:04:23 -0500

As as young SP5, I had the odd duty of looking for uniform, safety, and policy violations in official Army photos before they were released. You can image the things we denied. Worse, was when we had to photograph certain offical events. I often had to work nights and evenings as the Protocol NCO ---civilian or military photogs would take photos of each person in the General's receiving line (sometimes a hundred or more), and I would fill out the "Caption" book and ensure we could align each photo with each person for the GO's Aide to distribute later.
More than one time had to tell the Aide or the GO or some other senior officer that their fly was open, or their ribbons were on the wrong side....and one time a new Colonel had her Eagles on facing backwards....she was very grateful that I politely mentioned it well before she shook hands with the general. Was always kind to me after that!

Response by LTC Paul Heinlein made Nov 15 at 2014 8:33 PM

LTC Paul Heinlein — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:33:03 -0500

I'm human. I have been corrected by everyone from PVT to MG. People are human, I've corrected everyone from PVT to GEN. Life goes on.

My favorite correction story goes as such. I was an LT attending Airborne School. When referring to the NCO Cadre at the ABN School, you were always to refer to them as SGT Airborne XXX (whatever their last name was).

As an officer you are required to pull duty officer on the weekends. One Weekend, I was on duty.

I received a phone call. The person did not identify themselves, but I had identified myself. When I finished the call, since I recognized the caller as SFC Baker (not real name), I referred to them as SFC Baker.

SFC Baker then barked at me through the phone that is was "SGT Airborne Baker", I responded "No" it's "SGT Airborne Baker, Sir!"..after a few seconds pause..SFC Baker responded "Yes Sir, sorry have a nice day".

Response by CPL Rick Stasny made Nov 15 at 2014 9:08 PM

CPL Rick Stasny — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:08:56 -0500

Following a payday inspection, I was passing through the parking lot, and a Private came towards me and snapped off a salute. He did this right in front of our group SGM. I had on the round service cap, the Private thought I was an officer, the SGM was sure I was out of uniform. The butt chewing commenced. I tried to explain that it was authorized when overseas and not in formation. He didn't want to hear anything about 670-1, and I was only saved by our 1st Sergeant, who stood up for me. To save me the trouble, I never wore that cap again.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Dec 16 at 2014 3:01 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:01:36 -0500

We all make mistakes now and then, so you are doing your duty in a respectful and caring manner SFC Lopez. Kudos to you. I've been corrected by and made corrections periodically to seniors and subordinates and it was always done tactfully. You watch each other's 6 out of pride and respect for the uniform.

Response by SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S. made Jan 6 at 2015 3:38 PM

SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S. — Tue, 06 Jan 2015 15:38:03 -0500

Whole I was on drill sergeant duty sometime between 1989-1991, I was at the PX with my Drill Sergeant headgear on. A couple of Captains in their advanced course approached me and told me I was not compliant with the regulations as I was not under arms and told (ordered) me to remove me headgear indoors. I proceeded to explain to the officers the training center policy allows Drill Sergeants to keep our headgear on while in uniform. Inside, I couldn't believe two captains weren't aware of this.

While I was explaining, one of the captains commanded I be "at ease" and follow the order. About that time, I saw a short bald man (with 2 stars) walk around the corner of the isle who had obviously been taking in this conversation. The post commander instructed me to wear my headgear as required in policy. He then told the officers to apologize to me and for them to meet him in his office in half-hour.

I placed my headgear on my head, thanked the General and wished him a great day, and moved out smartly.

One of my more memorable days of Drill Sergeant Duty.

Response by SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee made Jan 11 at 2015 5:21 PM

SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee — Sun, 11 Jan 2015 17:21:04 -0500

I was in the National Guard when foreign jump wings were no longer authorized for wear on the BDU uniform. About two years after this regulation came into effect, I tactfully (in a one-on-one setting) informed our battalion commander that his German Jump Wings were no longer authorized on his BDUs. He took offence to this and told me to mind my own business. I saluted, said roger that, and moved out smartly. He continued to wear his foreign jump wings for the rest of the annual training and then I never noticed them on any of his uniforms except his dress greens.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 9:50 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:50:38 -0500

A line badge is required for my shop so I check for that and their uniform as well. If something is off on their uniform, I approach them and politely inform them of the issue and they usually have no problem with it. Might as well attempt to save them from potential butthurt in the future

Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made May 24 at 2015 10:41 PM

MAJ Keira Brennan — Sun, 24 May 2015 22:41:39 -0400

AR 670-1 and appropriate DA Pams. Yes - I've corrected a bunch of fellow rag bags. I think that if you see something off - measure it twice, correct it!!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2015 4:13 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:13:58 -0400

I don't have a problem correcting a peer or subordinate. I usually don't correct those that are senior to me. I've done that tactfully before and got a chewing for it. So, if you want to look "ATE UP" fine by me. Why should I make an on the spot correction if you're going to get pissed and then give me a 5-10 minute chewing on how you out rank me and who do I think I am trying to correct someone of your rank blah, blah, blah.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 17 at 2015 4:25 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:25:55 -0400

I had PTSD and had my last name and US Army switched incorrectly. I was corrected by a young soldier. I thanked him.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 1:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:24:47 -0500

Hardcore! He has body armor on and he has his eye pro!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 5:27 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:27:02 -0500

I think that NO MATTER the rank a soldier should be able to tactfully do an on the spot correction. Mainly, because at the end of the day we are 1 fighting force and if we are willing and able to help each other with our APPEARANCE, than we would find that helping each other with EVERYTHING else will become natural! Just my 2 cents

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2016 5:12 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 17:12:21 -0500

I have both corrected others (officers and enlisted) and received corrections at various times in my career. Sometimes it's due to lack of knowledge or sometimes it's an honest mistake that the person just overlooked. Regardless of the reason, we should always have the professionalism to "police our own" and help one another meet the right standard. Reactions will vary, as I have had simple, "Thanks" / "Oh crap, I didn't even notice that!" reactions, and some that are far less professional / cordial. This holds true for all ranks. Someone's reaction to a professional constructive correction can often be an indicator of their overall level of professionalism.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2016 5:16 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 17:16:24 -0500

I commend you SFC Gemma Lopez. Tact is the key!

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Jul 30 at 2017 11:32 PM

Sgt Mike Jacobi — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:32:30 -0400

With junior officers I as an NCO would try to work into casual conversation that "the General is death on uniform infractions" and if that didn't work go into specifics. I tried to make it a case of getting it right before the "General" called him on it. It mostly worked well. With peers and the troops I always tried to be as tactful as I could.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jul 30 at 2017 11:46 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:46:33 -0400

Same as a Private, just a little more politely. They're just people. I'm sure they'd rather you tell them something's wrong instead of walking around looking "ate up". I know I appreciate it when someone tells me a boot snake bit me or some such...

Response by SN Shawn Wilson made Jul 31 at 2017 12:08 AM

SN Shawn Wilson — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:08:04 -0400

well i will share a story that actually happen to me when i cross decked to the lake, at the time i was a E-3, but my new commanding officer who flew over the Atlantic, he did not come from the Orion, for sailed with the Lake, I was asked to work nights in the galley to make the command transition easier, since i had the most experience working nights or mid-rats, so i did even though I was to move back to the chief's mess, that morning my galley captain asked me to stay and clean some over hangs, mind you grease, dust, doesn't do will with working whites, I asked if I could change into dungarees, before that, he replied you'll be done here after muster no need for that. well during muster ensign Finley newly graduate from R.O.T.C. called me out right their in muster to ask me me, I'm paraphrasing here, seaman recruit, why does your uniform look like shit! I explained myself once again, replied with the same response seaman recruit why does your uniform look like shit!trying to keep my demeanor calm, gave the same answer! third time he asked once again seaman recruit why does your uniform look like shit! I replied MR. Finley sir if you call me seaman recruit one more time I will write up for disrespecting me, I have answered your question three times already. my answer will not change. but I'm a seaman E-3 of these untied state Navy, I have not been a recruit since boot-camp, so then he replies will seaman Wilson why are you out of uniform so i can distinguish you from a seaman recruit, I replied as per article such & such of the mess management specialist regulation book, I as a mess management (i actually knew back then I was working on my PO 3 advancement ) I'm not required to show my rank while working in the galley, because their might be a petty officer preforming the duties of a mess crank and would be offended by taking orders from a seaman and or lower ranking petty officer. then in his own stupidity he started to do it all over again, my master chief had to step in before it got out of hand, My master chief explained that mister Wilson (me) and currently working on receiving his 1st crow, and that i had preformed at times on the U.S.S. Orion well with exceptional work and he really does know the Mess Management specialist guide book or regulations, finely and I had a love & hate relationship from the point on, i never disrespected him, he never did it either after that 1st meeting.though we did but heads on occasion, i say if you find a Superior at fault do not be afraid to tell them, as long as you do not disrespect rank and who they are or honors they have earned.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2018 1:46 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:46:56 -0400

Tactfully, professionally, and with the reference material in hand or committed to memory.

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Mar 12 at 2018 2:00 PM

SPC Kevin Ford — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:00:50 -0400

Can I help you with that sir? You probably didn't notice this...

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Mar 13 at 2018 12:19 PM

SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:19:17 -0400

As a PV2 stationed at the APLO on Rhein Main AFB, Germany, one of my duties was to correct uniform infractions on every soldier coming through heading home. Most were receptive to the corrections but a few were not. The one I remember clearly was a LTC checking in for his flight with one of the most impressive handlebar mustache I've ever seen. Back in the 70s these were very popular with the infantry and SF units. I had to tell the LTC that he needed a hair cut and the handlebar had to be clipped to regulation. He started giving me grief about outranking me and I couldn't tell him what to do when I told him that he would not get on the plane unless he was within regulation. The LTC got louder and louder and thankfully my CO came out to find out what was going one. God Bless the man, he backed me up and proceeded to inform the LTC where he was wrong and that he owed me an apology. The LTC did get a haircut and clipped that handlebar AND I did get that apology!! I told him that I thought his handlebar was one of the most impressive ones I had ever seen and that I regretted having to say something but regulations were to be followed by everyone. He wasn't real happy about having to do it but he did it and made his flight. I've been in a few situations where I had to remind a superior of the regulations and like I said for the most part they were receptive. It all boils down to where and how it's done and to not get offended when they complain or get belligerent.

Response by MSG Greg Andrews made Apr 5 at 2018 8:18 PM

MSG Greg Andrews — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 20:18:20 -0400

ANYONE can make on the spot corrections. I didn't want to walk around with a jacked up uniform. I'm sure officers didn't want to either. I never had a problem with being descrete and respectful to officers about uniform corrections. They always seemed grateful.

Response by Maj John Bell made Aug 24 at 2018 2:59 AM

Maj John Bell — Fri, 24 Aug 2018 02:59:51 -0400

Every billet I had, I had the kind of relationship with my Senior SNCO that we would check each other. before we left the Command Post.

Response by MSG David Lambert made Dec 16 at 2018 10:22 PM

MSG David Lambert — Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:22:25 -0500

Politely

Response by SP5 Charles Goldsmith made Feb 29 at 2020 1:48 AM

SP5 Charles Goldsmith — Sat, 29 Feb 2020 01:48:58 -0500

I was told by a SSGT ,I was SP5,that I was out of uniform because my brass was a little off angle. After ripping me a new ass. I told him he was out of uniform. No ribbons and no name tag. He was really pissed and started talking about insubordination. The MSGT heard it all and ripped the SSGT. I then told the SSGT and the MSGT ,it was BullShit like this was the reason I wasn't reupping. The MSGT ,said I don't blame you. LOL.

Response by SMSgt Robert Anderson made Aug 23 at 2020 9:29 PM

SMSgt Robert Anderson — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:29:10 -0400

When I was stationed In Cheyenne, with the 389th and than the 90th Strategic Missile Wings, I had to go to the 13th Air Division to pick something up. I was an E-5 and after I left my car and was walking across the street the Division Commander was going in the opposite direction carrying his hat, I saluted him and as I did I said excuse me sir but you are not wearing your hat. To my surprise he apologized and asked what unit I was in. When I returned to my office my OIC called me in told me the the AD Commander called him to congratulate me for the comment that I made to him.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 5:06 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 17:06:10 -0500

Story Time!

I was sitting at Dental one morning and an LTC sat down across from me. He had on his ACUs three awards, all above his US ARMY tape: some type of Air Crew Badge, Combat Infantryman’s Badge, Expert Infantryman’s Badge.
I knew that the Reg stated that you’re only allowed to have ONE of the two Infantryman’s Badges on the uniform at a time. Both because I had read the reg and because I used to BE an Infantryman and happened to be well acquainted with BOTH of those Badges.
I struck up a conversation with him and asked him where he had gotten his EIB, then where he had gotten his CIB. Then I inquisitively mentioned that I thought you were only allowed to wear one at a time.
It was at that point that he remembered that he outranked me and flew into a fit of (loud) rage, explaining that as a Sergeant (First Class, but he skipped that part), I was above my pay grade telling a senior officer about regulations.
So I apologized. But I got completely lucky, because the Colonel who ran Dental asked what the yelling had been about. I told him that I had apparently overstepped my bounds in asking the LTC about wearing both of those awards at once. The Colonel just looked at him and said “but you CAN’T wear both at once, it’s against the Regulation.”
The LTC told him that he wasn’t aware of that. The Colonel just said, “okay, then fix it,” and took me back for my dental appointment.

Meanwhile in Iraq I knew a Colonel who I could find some uniform deficiency on DAILY, because he was a hot mess when it came to his uniform. Fantastic leader, strategic and tactical genius, complete fuck up when it came to his uniform. And he would WELCOME comments about things that were wrong with it. Not a problem in the world with being corrected.

I say that to say this: even if you are correct, in the Army it don’t mean you’re RIGHT. So you should take every situation differently, make corrections when necessary but be prepared for the egos that some people have to overrule common sense.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jan 3 at 2021 5:55 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 17:55:29 -0500

I didn't care about rank. If you were wrong and I knew it, I was gonna let you know. But I'd do it quietly.

Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made Jan 20 at 2021 7:21 PM

MCPO Hans Brakob — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:21:41 -0500

I never “corrected” anyone senior to me. As an MCPO (E9 to the green branch) I might have discreetly in a VERY respectful tone called attention to “something that I noticed”.

Response by CPT Derek Wren made Feb 10 at 2021 3:28 AM

CPT Derek Wren — Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:28:10 -0500

Your question itself is a good one even though to some it may seem simplistic, it can be a tricky thing to do. As sad as that may sound, it’s true that those without rank others tend to sometimes get more butt hurt over being corrected. Ultimately regardless of the rank, unless you’re talking to a general officer LOL, if you were tactful in the way in which you go about doing it in my opinion there should be no issue and quite honestly I always prided myself on trying to ensure I was squared away and if in the event that I was corrected, which happened I believe roughly twice or so in my entire career, I did not look at it as a negative and quite honestly looked at it as a positive the soldier or SM knew and understood the regulation and was willing to help square away a fellow soldier. I would much rather that than to have someone knowingly let you walk around jacked up just because I know they didn’t give two shits to tell you or were afraid to. Because truthfully take away the rank, and we’re all there for a common purpose, and as another person on here stated that they travel quite often and appreciate someone looking out for them.
I do recall one time as an E-4, we are preparing to deploy to Iraq and I pulled up to a gas station where one of our BN’s E6 was walking across the parking lot without his top and headgear on, at which time I was close enough two politely get his attention and mentioned something of the nature like it’s pretty sunny outside or something like that. At which time he responded, “check down, not up”. I instantly lost most all respect for him even though it was something as petty as that. Send me however it instantly told me more about that person, and if that was their mindset on their uniform and or being politely corrected, Lord knows how they would react to something of greater severity down range. Granted that’s just me.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made May 12 at 2021 1:40 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Wed, 12 May 2021 13:40:16 -0400

When i was an officer the word "tact" was defined as telling a man to go to hell and getting him to lock forward to the trip. Believe me, 1st Sergeants have the program down to an exact science, that is why any officer worth his sakti always accepts the advice of his NCOs .