SSG Keith Evans 7327251 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I.E. can SFC Husband be senior Rater and SSG Wife be the rater for SGT Jones?<br />I know what I would do t&#39;were I the 1SG... but.... <br />I&#39;m in a unit with 3 dual military couples. Two are SFC, the rest are SGTs and SSGs. I can imagine the mess it is to draft a rating scheme. An issue was recently brought to me as an EOL asking if this would be an inappropriate relationship or conflict of interest of some sort. I looked in AR 635-5, AR 600-20, and DA PAM 600-35 and I couldn&#39;t find anything specific. AR 635-5 just says that a lack of objectivity can be found during a commander&#39;s inquiry. There are 50 Soldiers in my company, most are NCOs only three SFCs. <br /><br />Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thank you, in advance. 2021-10-19T19:17:10-04:00 SSG Keith Evans 7327251

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I.E. can SFC Husband be senior Rater and SSG Wife be the rater for SGT Jones?<br />I know what I would do t&#39;were I the 1SG... but.... <br />I&#39;m in a unit with 3 dual military couples. Two are SFC, the rest are SGTs and SSGs. I can imagine the mess it is to draft a rating scheme. An issue was recently brought to me as an EOL asking if this would be an inappropriate relationship or conflict of interest of some sort. I looked in AR 635-5, AR 600-20, and DA PAM 600-35 and I couldn&#39;t find anything specific. AR 635-5 just says that a lack of objectivity can be found during a commander&#39;s inquiry. There are 50 Soldiers in my company, most are NCOs only three SFCs. <br /><br />Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thank you, in advance.

2021-10-19T19:17:10-04:00 2021-10-19T19:17:10-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 7327276

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="12369" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/12369-ssg-keith-evans">SSG Keith Evans</a> maybe @1sg Jason Hastings can answer your question...

2021-10-19T19:35:38-04:00 2021-10-19T19:35:38-04:00 SFC Casey O'Mally 7327297

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Generally speaking if SSG Jones is the rater and SFC Jones is the senior rater, that means that SFC Jones is SSG Jones&#39; rater. Which is a big no go. Not because SFC and SSG Jones are senior rater and rater, but because spouse is rating spouse.<br /><br />That is a MAJOR no go in fraternization rules, and should never be allowed to happen .

2021-10-19T19:54:23-04:00 2021-10-19T19:54:23-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 7327314

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m not going to say I know the reg on this, but if the NCOER turns out to be derogatory the raters better counsel up the wazoo with verifiable documentation for the negative review to have a hope of defending against an aggressive NCO pushing back with IG fun. <br /><br />If the NCOER is glowing no one is probably going to mention anything. Thankfully, as a E5 NCOER the eval is Meets Standard or not, no one is vying for top block. So the threat is low that another bitter NCO is going to mention anything. <br /><br />Ideally, the easiest thing to change is the Sr Rater. I understand one&#39;s immediate supervisor is pretty much locked in and the best in a position to do the eval, but the Sr tends to go round robin with Eval work load. So just swap out the Sr.

2021-10-19T20:34:46-04:00 2021-10-19T20:34:46-04:00 CSM Darieus ZaGara 7327317

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I will assume you are in an Army Band at a MACOM. It is unavoidable to have dual military assigned, while not optimal, it is a fact. There is wrangling to be sone with rating schemes which is generally overseen by the Commander and SGM. The Commander for the band is almost always rated by the COS and Reviewed by the Deputy Commander. There is a lot of oversight. The likelihood that things are not tracked and approved is slim to none. Anyway, don’t put the cart before the horse. See how it plays out.

2021-10-19T20:38:20-04:00 2021-10-19T20:38:20-04:00 LTC Jason Mackay 7327378

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I looked in AR 623-3, DA PAM 623-3 and AR 600-20. I was surprised to see that such a thing is not specifically prohibited. Not so much that your rated and senior rated by a husband and wife, the fact that the fairly rigid rating chain guidance in AR 623-3 CH2 dictates that one spouse would then be rated by another spouse to mirror the chain of command.<br /><br />There is a vague mention in AR 600-20 in chapter 4 about spouse employed and by their spouse being a conflict, but if they are both in uniform, no mention.<br /><br />This chain all falls on the commander who establishes it. I can not imagine a G1 SGM saying &quot; Oh yeah, this is cool&quot; while reviewing it. I can not imagine this being kosher but I am stumped to find regulatory support for it. ETP authority is at HQDA for rating chain deviation.

2021-10-19T21:55:00-04:00 2021-10-19T21:55:00-04:00 Lt Col Jim Coe 7329793

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It would be best if spouses were not in each other&#39;s chain of command--potential negative impact on good order and discipline. That may be difficult in a small unit. Despite all attempts to avoid the situation your describe, it may be necessary to allow this rating scheme. If all the players are able to keep their objectivity, then it should work out. However, the first time a rated soldier believes he or she has been unfairly rated by either the rater or senior rater, then a whole can of administrative worms will be opened. I wouldn&#39;t want to be the commander of this unit.

2021-10-21T17:37:03-04:00 2021-10-21T17:37:03-04:00 2021-10-19T19:17:10-04:00