Can a nation be a nation without enforceable borders?

CPT Jack Durish — Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:06:24 -0500

http://www.westernjournalism.com/illegals-just-sent-their-list-of-10-demands-to-the-american-people-its-not-going-to-go-over-well/
Before you get too excited, keep in mind that this story is probably the fantasy of some "journalist" having a hard time coming up with a story. When you see something like this you have to ask yourself, "When did 'illegals' get sufficiently organized to draft and announce such a document?" No, this list is most likely the composite of some ideologues demented fantasy. Or, possibly it's a logical compilation of things that other ideologues are demanding on behalf of 'illegals'. (Forgive me for breaking the first commandment and calling them 'illegals' but I can't think of a more accurate description and I do like to be precise)

That being said, there is an assumption inherent in these 'demands': Is the United States a nation or just a convenient domicile for whomever gets here?

If it is a nation, does it have a right to enforceable borders?

If it has a right to enforceable borders, does it have a right to regulate who crosses them and remains to enjoy the benefits that We the People have provided for ourselves?

If We the People didn't provide the benefits for ourselves, who gave them to us: The government? (Yes, that is a very leading question, isn't it?)

Finally, regardless of who provided these benefits, are those who enter the borders without right or invitation equally entitled to them or are they thieves?

Illegals Just Sent Their List Of 10 'Demands' To The American People; It's Not Going To Go Over...

According to Pew Research, the number of illegal immigrants in the country is approximately 11.3 million.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2015 12:02 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Nov 2015 12:02:06 -0500

Not as long as they are giving "free" stuff to those crossing that border.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Nov 7 at 2015 1:03 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Sat, 07 Nov 2015 13:03:46 -0500

You're seeing the degradation now in the Eurozone. You can go anywhere, live anywhere, work anywhere. Things are blending so much, the lines between distinctive identities is blurring rapidly. There's getting to be more push back over there. I see it more because I go there every summer to referee soccer so it's snapshots. BTW, WW-II is still raw with a significant number of the Nordic population not wanting anything to do with Germans.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Nov 7 at 2015 1:43 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Sat, 07 Nov 2015 13:43:08 -0500

Well many "nations" in Africa and Europe have been struggling for some time to have enforceable borders not to mention Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India CPT Jack Durish. Nations tend to be defined by many things including a common language, cultural traditions and shared history. Nations with significant bodies of water at their borders tend to have an advantage as to those with long term friendly and allied relations with their neighbors. The USA has a strong neighbor in Canada and significant bodies of water in all other directions except for Mexico. Our shared border with Mexico is a weak point with many seemingly porous areas. Defense/monitoring/interdiction in depth and a supportive population on our side of the border would go a long way to enforcing our southern border.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 7 at 2015 2:57 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Sat, 07 Nov 2015 14:57:23 -0500

No.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2016 6:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 May 2016 18:37:26 -0400

Is Germany still a nation? Most EU countries allow free travel between each others borders, or at least they did at one time. You could get on a train in Amsterdam and get off the train in Paris without anyone checking your passport. So based on that, I'm inclined to say that borders (as we commonly perceive them at least) are not necessary.

Response by Maj Rob Drury made May 24 at 2016 10:55 PM

Maj Rob Drury — Tue, 24 May 2016 22:55:24 -0400

I can't begin to understand why there is much acceptance of "undocumented immigrants."

This isn't a discussion on immigration; it's one about trespassing over international borders. In most CIVILIZED countries, crossing a border illegally gets one hard prison time or a bullet in the skull, and rightly so.

Response by SGT David Schrader made Jul 22 at 2021 3:14 PM

SGT David Schrader — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:14:11 -0400

People who come into our country illegally should not have any rights. Especially voting rights, monetarily or healthcare. I know that this sounds harsh but we need to take care of our own citizens and the ones who came here legally first and should not afford illegals any rights other than to deport them.