Can a soldier go to BLC if failed H/W & tape?

2021-10-19T16:18:25-04:00

A soldier fails H/W & tape.

Can he / she still attend BLC? I was under the impression that the regulation AR 600-9 states that if a soldier fails to meet the standards it calls for removal of all favorable action, military schools etc...

I am curious because there is a soldier in my unit who failed tape and they are still letting her submit a blc as a walk in packet , but she clearly did not meet the standard. I was next to the office and heard our new 1sg verbally counsel Failures.

She is a soldier that the previous acting 1sg had personal relationship with that he penciled her H/W , her PT cards, and he wanted to see her progress before me and tried to put personal negative feelings against me as a reason to not allow me to walk in a few months ago, that’s until I came up on a hard slot on ATTRS.

So my question is... as soon as I came up on a hard slot, I heard her whispering about getting her packet together and they signed it no problem. So now I know of this failure for H/W... what’s going to happen with her??? She’s like 30 lbs over and I’m wanting to see what fishy actions my unit will take.

I read the reg, and know that the right way would be. But I feel that my unit will cover for her. Also I am orderly so i process these flags.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2021 4:31 PM

2021-10-19T16:31:26-04:00

As a prior instructor, my answer would be "no". If they arrive at the academy and fail their height/weight or PT test, they are given a short period of time to meet the standard or they are dropped from the course and returned to their unit. It doesn't matter what's on the card from the unit. They will do height/weight and PT at the academy.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Oct 19 at 2021 5:56 PM

2021-10-19T17:56:33-04:00

There is most likely sone misinformation related to the situation you have identified. The Soldier should be flagged if they fail the height and weight standard. I doubt very seriously that the unit would send the Soldier under adverse action.

Response by 1SG James R. made Oct 19 at 2021 6:46 PM

2021-10-19T18:46:37-04:00

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

When measuring yourself against others you will always find your measure comes up short when compared to a few others. I suggest never comparing yourself against anyone else. Compare your accomplishments against your goals and compare yourself to the median of your all peers. Life and careers are never equal but in the end those who cheat regulations are caught up in their lies and suffer the consequences. You may never know when or how they suffer but be sure it will happen.

It requires wisdom to know when to insert your knowledge of immoral activity to higher authority; unfortunately, there are usually consequences for the reporter. It even requires forethought on how to report illegal activity even though there is no doubt illegal activity must be reported to competent authorities. Societies depend upon members doing the right thing, helping other members when possible in doing the right things, and when necessary reporting harmful activities to the society.

Your unit, your MOS, and the entire Army is harmed and weakened every time someone ignores regulations. Our units, and the entire Army is strengthened when members of the Army, in the correct way, point out shortcomings. I pray you find a way to strengthen your unit, our Army, and yourself.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2021 7:35 PM

2021-10-19T19:35:48-04:00

1. You are correct, she should be flagged.
2. Bde CSM will probabyl get a phone call about about a SM being removed from NCOPDS over failing tape. Although, new 635-200 says you can initiate separation if someis removed from NCOPDS so maybe they want her to fail they can chapter.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2021 8:07 PM

2021-10-19T20:07:50-04:00

Failed HT/WT requires a FLAG. FLAG negates ALL favorable actions. Well, when the regulations are followed properly.

Now, since her stuff was allegedly pencil whipped by the former acting 1SG...I say allegedly because I do not have confirmed information, and honestly neither do you unless you personally witnessed them doctor the 5500 and doctor DTMS....what will happen is that when she gets to BLC and gets taped and fails, she is gonna get sent home. Then, the BDE and BN CSMs for this Soldier will get a ring from the BLC Commandant. Then, your 1SG is gonna get an earful. Some asses will get burned for this.

Now, if you know of or suspect illicit activities in regards to her BLC packet, possible doctored documents, etc.., then I highly suggest you take this to your Commander and inform them of the situation. However, if you feel that your Commander is a part of this, then you can either take this to your BN CSM thru their Open Door Policy or contact the IG office. Either way, have your ducks in a row. Once you do this, then wash your hands of it and get yourself prepped for BLC.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2021 10:09 PM

2021-10-19T22:09:25-04:00

If you process flags for your unit, and you know for a fact this Soldier failed HT-WT, and you don't see a 268 and 5501 to process, you should ask your CO, XO or 1SG where it is, because you are aware and you were expecting to see it with the rest of them.
Also, if this Soldier reports to BLC soon, they will fail HT-WT, and most likely the re-test, will get sent home with a negative 1059 and your unit will be forced to conduct a HT-WT and start the program.
And your 1SG will have to answer to your BN and/or BDE CSM about sending an unprepared Soldier to PME, especially so soon after a scheduled HT-WT.
If they don't like the answer, they will involve your CO and paperwork.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2021 10:27 PM

2021-10-19T22:27:26-04:00

Well if said soldier makes it to BLC, there is a H/W the first day if you fail on the first day is a counseling. After this they will give you 2 weeks to get within H/W standards if the person fails then they get release from the Academy. I graduated recently so if you have any questions let me know.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2021 12:10 AM

2021-10-20T00:10:24-04:00

It sounds like this Soldier failed an informal tape test. It's only official when it's for record and recorded, when that happens the Soldier should be flagged. Of she's flagged then she is ineligible to attend any schools or receive any awards.

What will happen if she goes to school and does not pass Height and Weight is that your Division CSM will get a call, who will call your Brigade CSM, who will call your Battalion CSM, who will call your 1SG and tear them a-hole for sending someone who can't pass Ht/Wt and making the Div/BDE/BN look like incompetent NCOs while sending someone to an NCO producing school

Response by SPC July Macias made Oct 20 at 2021 2:23 PM

2021-10-20T14:23:30-04:00

I almost wish the whole military was like the Marine Corp; in which fitness standards are actually adhered to.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2021 4:20 PM

2021-10-20T16:20:54-04:00

Was it a record height/weight? Or an informal height/weight to see where she's at? If record, then yes she should have been flagged.

I'm not sure what's going on at BLC now if they're doing height/weight since it was virtual for awhile. If they do it there at the NCOA - she's getting one more chance to pass it (unless that changed) and fail again she gets sent home. They can't flag for NCOA height/weight or PT test failures though.

I'll be honest - there are people out there who will pencil whip those kind of things for whatever reason. There was a female NCO in the S6 in my first unit - I don't know how she ever passed tape. I really don't because it was quite obvious even in uniform that she was overweight. There were rumors that she did "favors" for people but I don't know if it's true or not. I just don't know how she ever passed tape because she had to get taped.

Response by SFC Kevin Stampfly made Oct 21 at 2021 3:47 PM

2021-10-21T15:47:33-04:00

In my experience sending a Soldier to BLC knowing that they already failed H/W & Tape is setting that soldier up for failure. A soldier is already expected to meet the requirements for NCOES when they attend the school, hence the reason why all schools do a weigh-in on the first day. If they don't make it then they are sent back to their unit and will not be able to attend. The command team will be notified and then it is going to fall back on the leadership that sent her in the first place. This is definitely not how NCO's take care of Soldier's...

Response by SGT(P) Kenneth Jones made Apr 26 at 2022 9:30 PM

2022-04-26T21:30:04-04:00

Correct if a soldier fails h/w/t they are suppose to be removed from the list, but it is up to your COC whether they process it. Remember if they pull her for a h/w/t 30 days prior to going and she passes nothing can do about it, but if she fails the initial w and tape when she gets there she will be sent home with negative remarks as well your COC will get ripped for sending pos to school and taking a slot that another service member that is more deserving.

Response by AB Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2022 11:06 PM

2022-04-26T23:06:06-04:00

She is a soldier that the previous acting 1sg had personal relationship with that he penciled her H/W.
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Response by SFC William Linnell made Apr 27 at 2022 9:32 AM

2022-04-27T09:32:21-04:00

Well. I see that this happened 6 months ago. What was the end result of this situation?

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Apr 27 at 2022 8:20 PM

2022-04-27T20:20:26-04:00

The correct answer is NO! F--- NO! I have, however, seen a number of people go to school and get in, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE CLEARLY NOT MET THE STANDARDS, based of their relationship(s) with the leadership and cadre at the schools. I hate that this crap STILL HAPPENS in the military. Whoever the soldier is needs to be real about their stuff instead of trying to game the system because if they get audited down the line, it's gonna suck HARD for them.