Can a Soldier on temporary profile use their profile''s alternate aerobic event as a record APFT?

2016-08-29T14:40:34-04:00

A Soldier has been renewing a temporary profile for months to avoid a running for a record APFT. Recently he had his TEMP profile say that he can take an APFT with the 2.5 Mi walk. So my unit ends up counting this as a record for him because they finally want one on record. This doesn't sound right to me but I've heard thereally are some sort of revision to the reg this year that allows a record on temp profile? If anybody can educate me and provide a reference source please.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2016 2:45 PM

2016-08-29T14:45:22-04:00

No, I have not seen anything allowing a Soldier to take an APFT while on temp profile.

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Aug 29 at 2016 2:51 PM

2016-08-29T14:51:02-04:00

I think Temp profiles are for recovery purposes. So you are right...that does not sound right...because it would be in violation of the profile. I actually depends on what the profile was for possibly. But because he is working the system to avoid running the command may need to investigate.

Response by 1SG Mike Case made Aug 29 at 2016 2:54 PM

2016-08-29T14:54:11-04:00

A Soldier who is on a profile (lets say he turned his ankle and on a 30 day no running profile) can be authorized by the commander to do an alternate aerobic event, if it is checked on his profile, by the profiling doctor.

This is from AR 40-501, Standards of Medical Fitness:
(f) Item 6. Physical Fitness Test. Check either “Yes” or “No” to indicate whether the Soldier can perform the activities for the APFT. The “Yes” or “No” blocks on the alternate APFT need only be completed if the Soldier has restrictions for the regular APFT. If the Soldier cannot perform at least an alternate APFT the profile serial will be at least a 3 and referred to an MEB.

The commander can just wait till the Soldier is off of profile and make that Soldier take an APFT then but yes he is authorized to take an alternate APFT, if the doctor checks the block on the profile form.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2016 3:15 PM

2016-08-29T15:15:01-04:00

During my Brigade Annual Training Briefing, it was brought up that Profiles are moving to where Soldiers will be able to take a Record while on a Temporary. However, that part of the briefing did not give a start date on that. So I am not sure if it is effect or still in the planning phase, or scrapped all together.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Aug 29 at 2016 3:27 PM

2016-08-29T15:27:17-04:00

SSG Private RallyPoint Member Short term profiles NO.
Extended temporary profile (more than 3 months), yes with PCM AND commander's approval.
AR 350-1, Para 1-24, 6e
and
AR 350-1, Para 1-24, 6e. (4)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2016 9:39 PM

2016-08-29T21:39:04-04:00

Yes, he can. Please see Army Directive 2016-07.

"(2) Profiling officers will write all temporary profiles for the entire expected
duration of the duty limitation up to 90 days. Given that temporary profiles do not
prevent Soldiers from taking the Army Physical Fitness Test, profiling officers will
designate on DA Form 3349 when the Soldier can take the test. The profiling officer
may also designate on the form that the Soldier take an alternate aerobic event.
(3) Soldiers will no longer have an automatic recovery period after the
termination of their temporary profiles. "

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2016 12:16 AM

2016-08-30T00:16:46-04:00

If he is renewing a profile on purpose just to avoid a run then that is against Army regulation. Or am I reading it wrong?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2016 3:38 AM

2016-08-30T03:38:03-04:00

I just want to point out a point of order.
The Soldier does not renew a profile, a medical officer does. If the MEDO says the issue is legit, it is legit.
If the commander feels that there is an issue there, he should engage with the profiling officer to ensure that he is properly apprised of the Soldier's conditions, prognosis, and physical therapy requirements.
If this temp has been renewed twice, the Soldier should be examined to determine whether he should have a permanent profile or potentially a Fit For Duty Physical or MRB. "Temporary" issues do not often linger for many months or years.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2018 9:46 AM

2018-03-29T09:46:50-04:00

My unit just advised me that I can not pass on a temporary profile even though the profiling officer stated in the 3349 I can take a record APFT. Anyone have some advise?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 3:11 PM

2018-05-09T15:11:16-04:00

Yes they can - if the doctor approves it. Since the change in the profile form there is a portion that specifically allows for the doctor to recommend the alternate aerobic event on a temporary. In fact, I did it on a temporary right after the change to profiles before I got a permanent. I had been on temporary for my knee for a while and I needed a PT test. We don't have access to e profile so we had to accommodate that but we had the doctor write that I could do an alternate event on the APFT and what date.

So yes the unit could count that as a record as long as it was annotated in his profile that he could do the alternate event.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2018 1:13 PM

2018-08-08T13:13:31-04:00

FM 7-22 Appendix A / AR 350-1 Appendix F
"long-term temporary profiles (more than three months) are authorized to take alternate events"

FM 7-22 Appendix A
A-38. Alternate aerobic events assess the cardio respiratory and muscular endurance of Soldiers with permanent medical profiles, or long-term temporary profiles that cannot perform the 2-mile run. The alternate aerobic APFT events are the following:
AR 350-1 Appendix F, p.185-196
For Soldiers on a permanent profile or an extended temporary profile (more than three months), a record test must include an aerobic event. The only approved aerobic events are the 2-mile run, 800-yard swim, 6.2-mile stationary bicycle ergometer, 6.2-mile conventional bicycle or the 2.5-mile walk. Soldiers on permanent profile or a temporary profile of long duration (more than three months) will only receive points for those events taken.

I know this is an old post but it comes up near the top when searching google for APFT and Profile.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2019 11:58 AM

2019-04-09T11:58:54-04:00

You are counseling SGT White, an M-day Soldier, on her eligibility for extension. SGT White failed her last APFT on 12 December 2008. Her current ETS date is 19 August 2010. SGT White has a temporary profile due to expire 7 July 2010. The date today is 15 June 2010. What is her extension eligibility status?

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Feb 4 at 2020 11:17 AM

2020-02-04T11:17:09-05:00

Yes they can but if as it seems you are implying this soldier is milking it then unless the regs have changed they are screening themselves. If you do an alternate event on a PT test then you only get a pass/fail for the whole thing. You lose all promotion points even if you score 100% on the other events