Can a soldier who is deployed to Jordan for a training mission wear a deployment patch?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:31:59 -0400

i have a soldier deploy to jordan in support of a training mission with the jordanian army,
i am curious as to if this soldier is alowed to wear a deployment patch for being in jordan seeing how people i know who went there previously were able to wear one, he has ammended orders that say iraq, jordan, syria etc. and will be there for over a month just curious as to what i should tell him

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Sep 11 at 2019 11:41 AM

SP5 Peter Keane — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:41:18 -0400

There is no such thing as a deployment patch. It is Former War Time Service.

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made Sep 11 at 2019 11:55 AM

SPC Casey Ashfield — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:55:49 -0400

AR 670-1(16) "Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR): between 15 June 2014 and a date to be determined, for Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria in support of OIR, who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by CENTCOM Command Center-Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than OIR are not authorized the SSI-FWTS, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to OIR."

That reads as a maybe answer.

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Sep 11 at 2019 12:00 PM

SSG Carlos Madden — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:00:49 -0400

I think it'll depend on what the orders say. If they were in support of OIR or another operation they may depending on length. However if it was just being put on orders to go there and cross train, they probably won't have a patch authorized. I went to Jordan for a week in 2008(?) to cross train their military and we did not get a patch for that.

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made Sep 11 at 2019 12:56 PM

LTC Ray B. (Ret) — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:56:20 -0400

Mno

Response by CPT(P) Gs Greene made Sep 11 at 2019 2:30 PM

CPT(P) Gs Greene — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:30:41 -0400

You betcha!

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2019 5:39 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:39:19 -0400

The answer is yes he can after 1 day in country he is allowed to.

Response by CPL Gary Pifer made Sep 11 at 2019 11:03 PM

CPL Gary Pifer — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:03:57 -0400

Actually you can wear any patch... until The Big Guy says "No". Seen many of patch and badge showdowns.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2019 7:30 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:30:07 -0500

Tricky. So I was deployed to Jordan for a short time in 2014 to train Jordanian intelligence officers just after their border units were hit by ISIS. I was told I was authorized a combat patch because I was there under Inherent Resolve orders and even though it was training, we were prepping units for direct combat operations against ISIS. However if you read AR 670-1 under location 16 of the authorized locations, you are authorized the patch if you receive hostile fire pay. We weren’t getting that. My Brigade S1 and even ARCENT said we were authorized but I have never worn my 1 ID combat patch from that because I always questioned it and I didn’t want to do the wrong thing. There really isn’t anything they put in your records that backs you up either. I tried to upload the ARCENT memorandum they gave us but that isn’t one of the authorized documents allowed, so I just kept it. But what I do know is a strict training mission to do exercises is not authorized. According to the reg, your training must lead to direct combat operations, your orders have to name Inherent Resolve as your named operation, and you must be receiving Hostile Fire / IDP. It’s in AR 670-1.

Response by SSG Marshall Paul made Feb 9 at 2020 2:54 PM

SSG Marshall Paul — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:54:00 -0500

I went to Philmont Ranch in support of a boy scout camp shooting instruction program and they gave me a cool patch; can I wear it to my 12th Group reunion in Ruidoso in April?

Response by John H Green Jr made Apr 11 at 2024 9:22 AM

John H Green Jr — Thu, 11 Apr 2024 09:22:14 -0400

Damn, Since JAN 2021 its been "Shoulder sleeve insignia–military operations in hostile conditions" page 42 para 21-18 AR 670-1.