Can a unit administer a record APFT to an officer who has not been to BOLC who has been drilling with the unit for 90+ days?

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 09:07:53 -0500

Thank you everyone for your responses. I am the APFT OIC of our unit and I have not found anything in the regs pertaining to Record APFTs and pre-BOLC AMEDD Officers. I have DTMS access and enter in all our record/diagnostic APFTs and Ht/WT. I am asking in relation to whether we can start separation paperwork if they fail 2 record APFTs, granted we are allowed to give them a Record APFT vs diagnostic. Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that we have CPTs who have yet to attend BOLC.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2019 9:20 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 09:20:31 -0500

I would say yes. That new LT may not be Deployable to a war zone but he sure can be tested on his physical fitness.

Response by 1LT Ryan Millican made Mar 5 at 2019 9:23 AM

1LT Ryan Millican — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 09:23:39 -0500

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member as long as that officer belongs to your unit, you should be able to administer a PT test. If they fail, they can be held from going to BOLC. We had an LT at our BDE that was held up from going to BOLC because he could pass a PT Test. So, from what I understand, yes you can.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Mar 5 at 2019 9:24 AM

LTC Jason Mackay — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 09:24:13 -0500

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member agree with LTC Private RallyPoint Member. AR350-1 Appendix F. The Commander may administer the APFT as often as they wish. The soldiers needs to be told whether it is record or diagnostic before they start.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2019 9:55 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 09:55:07 -0500

Are you asking if he can record it or administer it. As far as recording goes, it would depend on what accounts he has, when I was a unit administrator the AGR training SGT recorded all training which included PT, the only time I accessed them was in their absence.

Response by CPT Enrique M. made Mar 5 at 2019 12:30 PM

CPT Enrique M. — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 12:30:26 -0500

Sooooooo this one is the one that keeps coming around.

For non providers in AMEDD , all PT test scores don't count until you complete BOLC. Technically they can say for record but it won't count for record until the official one is passed at BOLC.

Providers work diffrently because they do the short course , so they have to take a record prior to going to BOLC , but the particular score won't count for record until BOLC is complete.

In essence if the unit asked the SM do a PT test, they have to do it. Simple as that.
If they worried about the score have the unit UA/S1 review the SOP for APFT for non BOLC AMEDD officers , with

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2019 8:19 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 20:19:03 -0500

I found no reference prohibiting administering a record APFT prior to Reserve Component AMEDD officer prior to attendance at BOLC-RC. In fact, the information available is that those officers are required to have a record APFT within 6 months of arrival at BOLC-RC (or they will be administered one upon arrival). References follow (AR 350-1 omitted since it has already been provided):

**From the BOLC webpage:
Reserve Component In-Processing Information
All student attending BOLC-B (RC) Phase 2 are required to have a passing Army Physical Fitness Test score and passing Army Height and Weight prior to enrollment in the resident course.
Students may hand-carry their DA Form 705 (Army Physical Fitness Test Scorecard) if they have been administered one by their unit. The DA Form 705 must show a passing score and indicate the student is in compliance with the Army’s height and weight standards IAW AR 600-9.
If the student requires a tape test, the DA Form 5500 (males) or the DA Form 5501 (female) must also be included with the DA Form 705. The DA Form 705 must be current (within the past six months).
If a student does not have a current DA Form 705, they will be administered both the APFT and height/weight screening. If they fail to meet Army standards for APFT or height/weight, they will not be enrolled and returned to home station.

**TRADOC 350-6, 5-5 c. (3) BOLC-B. In accordance with HQDA directives and regulations.
(b) Students must pass a record APFT prior to graduation in accordance with AR 350-1. Any student attending BOLC-B for less than 30 days (Army Medical Command) and will not be taking an APFT for record, must hand carry their Department of the Army (DA) Form 705 with a score within 6 months of attending BOLC-B. .....Any USAR or ARNG student who does not have a passing record APFT score prior to graduation; will be processed from the course and returned to their parent unit.

**From the BOLC Student Handbook, A/187 MTBT, page 5:
All Officers in the BOLC‐RC Course (3.5 weeks) may submit a DA Form 705 that shows a passing APFT AND Body Composition within 6 mos of their BOLC report date; otherwise an APFT and/or Body
Composition measurements are required.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2019 10:44 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 22:44:52 -0500

Geez.....unit hasn't sent this Captain to BOLC, hasn't ensured that this officer has gained the basic professional and military knowledge to attempt to succeed in the military and, now they want to start separation paperwork ? I'm sure there's more to this than meets the eye. Sounds like this Captain is unprepared. Who's fault is that ? I don't know, he/she haven't been to BOLC yet. Who's fault is that? Sounds like someone at the unit dropped the ball, forgot this Captain existed and this could explain why they haven't been to the appropriate course. Separation paperwork for a commissioned officer should work it's way to some very senior field grade officers, general officers or worse, LTG Luckey himself. They're going see the paperwork and wonder....Why is a CPT that hasn't been to BOLC getting separated ? Why hasn't his/her unit and leadership ensured that they're prepared ?