Can I be flagged for failing a height/weight for diagnostic PT test?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:50:06 -0500

Response by SFC Stephen King made Jan 3 at 2019 5:00 PM

SFC Stephen King — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:00:24 -0500

Great question, go to AR 600-9 and look at it for reference. Also, ask your NCO and see what the standard is for your unit.

2–1. General
Soldiers must maintain a high level of physical readiness in order to meet mission requirements. Body composition is one indicator of physical readiness that is associated with an individual’s fitness, endurance, and overall health.

Individuals with desirable body fat percentages generally exhibit increased muscular strength and endurance, are less likely to sustain injury from weight bearing activity, and are more likely to perform at an optimal level. Soldiers will meet Army body composition standards, as prescribed in this regulation, for the individual and collective benefit to themselves, their unit, and the entire Army.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2019 5:17 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:17:56 -0500

For a single failure on a diagnostic? No, you *shouldn't* be. But I would be remiss if I did not stress that it is the responsibility of every Soldier to ensure they can pass an APFT (to include the associated height/weight with it) at any time.

Edited: I believe the new rules under "fit to fight" say you can be flagged the first time for height & weight, but someone else can correct me if I am wrong.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Jan 3 at 2019 5:28 PM

LTC Kevin B. — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:28:46 -0500

Technically, failing the height/weight is immaterial. The height/weight table is used to screen for people who need to have a more definitive assessment done, and that is the tape test. Only after failing the tape test (which measures body fat content) can somebody be flagged.

AR 600-9 doesn't explicitly forbid a Commander from combining a diagnostic APFT and a body fat screening. It actually suggests (but does not dictate) that they uncouple the two. So, yes they can flag you after a diagnostic APFT.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2019 7:40 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 19:40:49 -0500

As Height/Weight and APFT are two separate programs, yes you can be flagged for failing a ht/wt even though you passed an apft. Just like you could fail an apft but pass ht/wt and you will be flagged for apft failure.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Jan 3 at 2019 8:22 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 20:22:01 -0500

Yes.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2019 12:43 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:43:02 -0500

Thank yall all very much for your feedback and answers. I have read the regs and I now walk away with a bit more knowledge. In the end I wasn't flagged (luckily) so now I know where I stand and where I should be weight wise.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2019 5:16 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Jan 2019 17:16:24 -0500

YES!
You "will" and "should" be flagged for failing height/weight for diagnostic APFT. It is the Soldier's responsibility to meet "Body Fat Standards" ... Having a job in the United States Armed Forces requires active duty / reservists to meet certain standards of fitness and health, see Army Regulation 600-9. You always need to keep in mind that failing height / weight and body fat standards have a cost. "Army personnel who are overweight, or worse obese, including Soldiers who become pregnant while on the weight control program are not promotable to the next higher rank, will not be assigned to command leadership positions, and are not allowed to attend professional military training schools". Not meeting the standard will cost you career enhancing opportunities that may only be offered on occasion. Having said all that, start something!!!
Hooah!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2019 1:19 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Jan 2019 01:19:12 -0500

Yes - anytime. HT/WT has nothing to do with your with APFT Score. A Commander can have you weigh-in anytime...just as he/she can make you take a PT Test, anytime. Failure of a HT/WT will result in a FLAG almost always. You got lucky that your current Commander didn't process the paperwork.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2019 2:45 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:45:41 -0500

Any APFT can be used for record therefore a "diagnostic" APFT does not exist. If your command thinks you're looking hefty, they can administer a HT/ WT. The only way you fail is by failing to meet tape, which comes after you dont meet the weight for your height.

Response by MSG James Devereaux made Feb 2 at 2019 10:40 AM

MSG James Devereaux — Sat, 02 Feb 2019 10:40:26 -0500

It depends on wether the unit actually enforces army standards. Probably not.