Can my unit make me take an APFT vs ACFT?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 20:00:10 -0500

I recently joined the reserves from the IRR with no flags. On DTMS my last record APFT is Green and passed with a date from 2016. My current unit had previously mentioned administering an APFT for those that need it. From my understanding those with a failing record APFT are the only eligible to take the APFT. I can’t find info on those with an expired APFT. I have been training for the ACFT and left the APFT in the past. Though I don’t mind taking the APFT again I really don’t want to. Does my unit have the right to make me take a record APFT or is the new ACFT my new PT Test? Thanks

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Mar 9 at 2021 8:36 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 20:36:49 -0500

Generally it's better to suck it up and drive on than complain. You will earn more respect if you follow directions expeditiously.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2021 8:54 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 20:54:52 -0500

No. Son if you have a good pt test you are goooooooood

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Mar 9 at 2021 8:56 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 20:56:02 -0500

You do realize that your AFPT is 4 yrs old, that is suppose to be an annual event, so you should have had on before the AFPT/ACFT freeze. Sound like its on you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2021 9:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 21:20:47 -0500

I think that the guidance put out was that if your last passing APFT was from like Mar or April 2019 or later it was valid. Something along those lines.

Considering you don't have a current APFT...they could have you take one. Go to HRC and look through the MILPER messages. You have to log in with CAC. Or MilSuite has ALARACTs I think. I don't feel like getting my CAC reader out to look it up for you right now.

If you can do the ACFT, you can do the APFT. C'mon.

ACFTs are just diagnostic right now basically.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2021 9:42 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 21:42:42 -0500

I am just going of the information you provided...last APFT 2016? You are a few years overdue

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2021 12:17 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 00:17:57 -0500

Theoretically, they could have you take either one. The directives were...if you have a failing Record APFT before the switch over, then you take the APFT IOT to get unflagged then you convert to the ACFT. Since your last APFT was before the switch and you passed...they could have you take the ACFT. It's going to be up to them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2021 2:11 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:11:41 -0500

If I am not mistaken:

Passing APFT is good until March 2022. ACFT is the only recognized PFT as of OCT 2020. I see and hear a lot of units/leaders requiring APFT but I don’t think that’s the guidance being pushed down from the highest echelons.

Will you get anywhere in your fight with that knowledge... probably not. Is it a fight worth “falling on your sword” for... up to you

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2021 2:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:51:00 -0400

Testing frequency was suspended in FRAGO 1 and 2 to HQDA EXORD 164-20, and the CURRENT FM7-22 and associated ATP have NO testing standards for the APFT. Your apft could be from 1985 and its still "good".

Current army guidance is 2 ACFT's this year, though that might be one for the reserves.