Can the military take your annual leave away (Christmas block leave) if you refuse to jump?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 20:37:16 -0500

A bit of context . When I say refuse to jump , I mean I don't get on the plane at all. Refuse on ground before manafest . I have a back injury and they are trying to force me to jump.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2021 8:50 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 20:50:35 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Are you on a Profile for your back injury?

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Nov 30 at 2021 9:03 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:03:20 -0500

Commanders have the ability approve/deny leave and missing movement or refusing a training evolution could fall under having your leave denied.

Are you on profile, light or limited duty? If you didn’t have something on paper pulling you medically it just looks like you blew off the event.

If you did have something on paper and they tried to force you anyway you need to talk to your leadership and your unit medical folks

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Nov 30 at 2021 9:38 PM

1SG Dennis Hicks — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:38:56 -0500

While its been awhile, if you have a profile that says no jumping, then no they can't. If you do not have a profile and the Docs say you are fit for duty then they can do much more, you become a jump refusal and if on status less that 3 years, say goodbye to your wings, also look forward to UCMJ actions(s). If you are a pay loss or coming up on pay loss status you end up on the bad metrics for your unit which is a whole new level if you have no medical get out of jail card. Bottom line is if you are on status, medically cleared and going into pay hurt status you are required to Jump, thats what Paratroopers do, speaking as someone with 253 jumps and more back pain than I can stand some mornings not mention assorted other fun gifts from Status and service we all have to make that choice, Jumping is voluntary the day you decide you have enough its time to leave. I did and I think these still do voluntary terminations of jump status these days.

After reading some of your replies I see that you do not have a medical profile and that your PA is refusing to grant you an extension. You basically have to decide which is more important your back or your leave. Not everyone can suck it up and drive on, you have to understand that Division has to field maximum numbers of qualified Troopers. I have a number of my troops get hurt and decide that jumping was no longer that important, you must also realize you are a grunt and that involves further injury to your back in the long run so this may be your moment of clarity to make some tough choices. Good luck either way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2021 9:39 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:39:08 -0500

Jump refusals are grounds for UCMJ action. You are on Jump status and therefore are required to jump at all unit jumps UNLESS actively on profile. You are likely being processed under article 92 (dereliction of duty) and the commander is the approval and rejector of all leave actions, so yes, they can do that.

A PA isn’t just going to refuse to put you on profile for a back injury if you have one. I’ve been on profile for 2 years for a back injury with 2 surgeries.

Long story short, at unit jumps, you are required to jump for proficiency

Response by SGT Charles Whited made Nov 30 at 2021 10:23 PM

SGT Charles Whited — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 22:23:13 -0500

Your not helping if you feel your injury would jeopardize the misson by pulling resources to tend to injury. Seek a profile till you get better.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2021 10:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 22:51:02 -0500

The commander can deny leave for any reason. Now - since leave is an entitlement and not a privilege they definitely should have a good reason for not letting soldiers take leave especially when they get up to use or lose.

Who said your leave was going to be denied? The commander (whoever is the approving authority so company, battalion or brigade depending on who is approval authority) is the only one who can deny or approve leave. Your supervisor can disapprove. That doesn't mean the commander will. If your commander is denying it, take it higher.

If you are on a profile that says no jumping, then you shouldn't be. BUT that depends on if you have an actual profile. If you don't have a profile that says you can't jump, then they can make you jump.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2021 10:20 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 10:20:37 -0500

Let's see if I can break this down to its simplest form:

Leave: Commanders are the only one that can approve/deny Leave.
Jump: You are on jump status. You need to jump to remain proficient and be fully mission capable.
Medical: If you have a profile that says no jumping, then you don't jump. If you don't have a profile, then you jump.

So, yes, your Commander can deny your Leave for refusing to get manifested/loaded for jump because you are not mission capable. Of course, I am only guessing this would be the reason why your Leave could be denied. I'm not your Commander so I have no idea what they're thinking.

If you are truly injured with a back injury that you do not want to make worse (and let's be honest, Airborne will eventually screw up your back, your knees, your ankles, your height), then you need to seek out a higher level of medical evaluation. If your PA is not wanting to give you a no jump profile until you are better, then go to your BN Surgeon. Or BDE....or where ever the Surgeon sits. Hell, if there is an orthopedic doctor at your base, see them.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Dec 1 at 2021 11:48 AM

SSG Bill McCoy — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 11:48:35 -0500

IF you have a profile for your back that has specific restrictions, then I would opine that you cannot be made to jump. I don't believe you can be punished either, but as for leave - always at the commander's discretion. If you're refused Christmas (block) leave to perform duties not restricted by your profile, allowing full performing troops to take leave, that's something the CO can mandate. On it's face, it does seem chickensh**, BUT there's some logic to it as someone has to be there as CQ for example.
If I had to make the decision, I'd certainly let fully functioning soldiers take leave before you - no offense. I'd try however, to compromise and give you leave afterwards and tie it into scheduled days off to give you a bit more time.

Response by SSG William M Davis made Dec 1 at 2021 12:37 PM

SSG William M Davis — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 12:37:08 -0500

I think unless you have a physical profile you are required to jump.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 1 at 2021 3:37 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 15:37:14 -0500

Do you have a valid profile, If yes, show it to the S3 Air. If not then you will jump or lose your wings and be transferred to leg land.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Dec 1 at 2021 5:28 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 17:28:58 -0500

I can see you being counseled. Maybe even an Article 15 for failure to follow an order. You should have a profile for the back injury that takes you off jump status. Go see the medical folks!

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Dec 8 at 2021 9:42 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Wed, 08 Dec 2021 21:42:02 -0500

YEP!

Response by SFC Thomas Basolo made Dec 17 at 2021 1:05 PM

SFC Thomas Basolo — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 13:05:29 -0500

Profiles are not subjective. Just because your back hurts, doesn't warrant a profile. In all my years in the Army, I never came across a PA that would deny a profile for a legitimate injury. If you don't want to jump, transfer.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Dec 17 at 2021 1:44 PM

SPC Vonnie Jones — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 13:44:21 -0500

Never been on jump status, however I know about profile and the are specific. If you don't have one get one. If you have only seen a PA be referred to an orthopedic or spin specialist. If your on jump status and won't jump (give me my tax dollars back lol) but if you have physical limitations that might worsen by continuing to jump get a profile. Your post is somewhat vague. Can't imagine being punishment because of a physical issue. I would think your commander would want you at your best. Could you add more to your post so you could receive more accurate advice.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2021 10:53 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:53:01 -0500

Simple, as a commander I can deny your leave for any and all reasons. It is not a right it is a privilege. That being said I would only ever deny holiday bock leaves for soldiers that had shown a significant pattern of misconduct, or were nearing the completion of their chapter process. Unless you have painted yourself out as a troublemaker and have lost the confidence of your chain of command you should have had your leave packet approved.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Dec 18 at 2021 12:03 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 12:03:55 -0500

Do you have a med profile? Short answer, yes, the Army owns you until you ETS or retire...now having said that, common sense needs to apply. Get with JAG

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2021 11:57 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:57:21 -0500

The chain of command can do a lot more than just denying leave when it comes to jump refusals.

To be honest though if you have a spinal injury you need to be put on a physical profile & be removed from jump status so you can receive treatment and heal without getting in hot water with the chain of command.

Once you receive treatment & heal as much as you’re going to heal returning to jump status is going to have to be a conversation between you and your primary care physician/neurologist.

Response by MSG Harvey Kane made Dec 19 at 2021 12:40 PM

MSG Harvey Kane — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:40:55 -0500

If you don't have a medical profile you don't have a back injury!

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Dec 20 at 2021 11:13 PM

SFC Terry Bryant — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:13:30 -0500

If you have a back injury you need to be seen my MILITARY doctors. They decide if you are fit for duty. If they say you are not fit for duty then they will determine the extent of the injury and whether or not you will ever be fit for duty. If you are determined to never be fit for jump duty again then you will either be released from active duty on a medical discharge or you will be declassed depending on what the nature of your injury is. However in the off event you are just scared to jump and using the bad back as an excuse, don't be ashamed of that. Many people are terrified of jumping from a good airplane. That being said, tell your first line leader and take the transfer to a different unit up the chain of command. That is my advice. On a side note...if you have a documented injury and a profile from a Military doctor that prevents you from jumping then nothing short of actual war can override a medical profile. Not your commander and not even the POTUS.

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Dec 21 at 2021 8:26 AM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 08:26:09 -0500

Well said folks. While just a Navy Squid I always knew I earned leave (like pay) but when I was allowed to take it was at the discretion of my commanding officer.

Response by SFC Philip Ogden made Dec 21 at 2021 6:39 PM

SFC Philip Ogden — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 18:39:37 -0500

No profile. Then you must do if you're on jump status. Yes they can deny your leave.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Dec 21 at 2021 8:29 PM

Jerry Rivas — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 20:29:25 -0500

You got a profile?????

Response by MSG Moises Maldonado made Dec 22 at 2021 12:23 AM

MSG Moises Maldonado — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 00:23:59 -0500

I never had to deal with BLOCK leave.. in my time in Active duty. I thought it was ONLY if you wanted to go on leave at all. What does Refusing to jump has anything to do with Not Going on leave Voluntarily and lose Annual leave? Has the Armed Services changed that much? Does "BLOCK leave" is for Military personnel in TNG during the Holidays?,, Is it mandatory?.. No , I don't think they can Dock your Annual leave Accrual .. Just denied leave Period. Could they..? Please enlghten me on this?

Response by SSG Ryan Molton made Dec 22 at 2021 6:14 PM

SSG Ryan Molton — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 18:14:07 -0500

This sounds suspect to me. If you truly have a back injury why haven’t you gone to the doctor ? I don’t know your situation but it sounds like you just didn’t want to jump. Either way commander can take your leave if he wants. If I were you I would go to the surgeon asap and build your case for being a refusal if there is one.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Dec 23 at 2021 12:00 AM

SSG Ken Potts — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 00:00:01 -0500

If you have a valid profile that prohibits you from parachuting, load bearing over a specified weight, issued by the BN PA or higher, then the answer is no. However, if your unit is in deployment cycle, and you're not missing capable, then yes, he can. You're assigned to rear detachment.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2021 9:37 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 09:37:11 -0500

Best advice is if you have a medical issue that prevents you from all your duties then you need to have a medical profile even if it is temp profile. The way that you described how you refused is a direct violation of lawful order by a superior unless you have the documents that show that you are not to be jumping. The commander should of started UCMJ actions on you did not follow a lawful order and could not provide proof of medical profile. I have seen situations over my career where the commander may have resticted the SM to base during the block leave because of pending UCMJ actions. Even in that situation the SM had fairly light schudule during the leave as there was not many people on base. You might have to spend some time as CQ runner or something. But the actual Hoildays most of the time the SM just had to report and that was it. I recall being on CQ one holiday block leave and that was how it was at that time. Yes, it sucks if this your situation. But try to make the best of the situation, things could be much worse and you could have been forward deployed to some crap hole. Try to take the extra time this holiday break to rehab that injury. maybe do some reading or other things that you can take advantage during the lighter duty schudule. if you are allowed to have family visit then this is another option, you do not have to look at all the negatives. One thing that I found to be great oppertunity was to volunteer to visit with Veterans that were in nursing homes for Holiday . But that was pre COVID but there still may be things at local vets clubs to offer you time to connect with others that have served and may not have family to enjoy this Holiday with. Let this be a learning lesson for life that refusing any order has outcomes to deal with, this also applies when you get done with your time and are in the private sector. In those cases if you refuse a order you get fired, so be grateful at this point that are not being processed for seperation. Try to have a good Holiday season.

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Dec 24 at 2021 5:34 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 05:34:21 -0500

Going on Leave is not mandatory or guaranteed. If you are not doing something that you are supposed to, then you damn right they can deny it. If you can't do something because of an injury, then go see the medics and get it on paper. You need to get stuff like that put in your med records anyways. Any kind of injuries and I mean any, all need to be recorded. That way when you get out and go to the V.A. you are covered. There is only one time a year that they can almost not deny you leave, if you have more than 60 days built-up and you are going to lose them on 1 October. Other than that, other than that, if your commander says no, then no means no.

Response by Sgt Claudus Howell made Dec 24 at 2021 4:11 PM

Sgt Claudus Howell — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:11:51 -0500

Having earned the right to wear jump wings is an honor and privilege. No Commander wants to have a medically unqualified soldier placed in a operational or training exercise where further injury may occur. This sounds like a modern day snowflake whom lacks the resolve and courage to perform his duties. Man up or get out and go to work for a company that will provide you with a safe place.

Response by 1SG Gregory Foster made Dec 24 at 2021 6:28 PM

1SG Gregory Foster — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:28:56 -0500

Annual leave is earned by the Soldier. If you don’t get on the plane then you are not a jump refusal.
If you have a medical profile, you proficiency pay can be extended if commander request.
Yes the commander can approve or-disapprove you leave but it would not be in his/her best interest if denied because you’re on no jump profile.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Dec 26 at 2021 2:41 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 14:41:08 -0500

Don't do your job, don't earn your perks... simple!
If you have a back injury, then the medical section should have you on modified duty. If you're not officially on light duty, then you are expected to perform as normal. It's not up to your command to get you medically recognized, it's up to you.
(I suffered a back injury my 2nd year in and have some experience with this)

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Dec 27 at 2021 9:53 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 21:53:42 -0500

Well for one you need to re-class and if you have MED Issues then your doctor can help in doing it for you or recommend discharge. Either Cowboy up and ride the Bull or Cowgirl up and run the Barrels.

Response by COL Clifford Wheeler made Dec 29 at 2021 8:48 PM

COL Clifford Wheeler — Wed, 29 Dec 2021 20:48:30 -0500

If you have a legit back injury then you should have a medically approved profile. Correct?

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Feb 18 at 2022 7:43 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Fri, 18 Feb 2022 07:43:09 -0500

If you refuse to jump you should be given a dishonorable discharge. Period.

Response by SGT Robert Zuniga made Feb 25 at 2022 7:46 AM

SGT Robert Zuniga — Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:46:39 -0500

The “military”, aka my Chain of Command took away my freedom until I donated to CFC

Response by SSG Timothy Lanham made Mar 14 at 2022 11:50 PM

SSG Timothy Lanham — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:50:56 -0400

You can always terminate jump status.

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Mar 16 at 2022 2:11 PM

COL Victor Hagan — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 14:11:05 -0400

If you are injuried then seek medical treatment immediately. A PA or Doc will evaluate your condition and advise whether you should jump or not. But I would advise you to listen to your body.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 23 at 2022 4:12 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:12:01 -0400

Do you have an opinion by your doctor?

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 23 at 2022 7:33 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:33:06 -0400

NICK.?.... As I Read Your Post, I'm Wondering "Why Didn't The Doctors Get Involved & Help Change Your MOS To A Different Field Of Operations, Or Clerical Position" ?... .I Had A Similar Situation,,,,...I Entered As A Security Specialist But Was Assigned To Many Other Duties. With Never A Change Of My Job Description. BUT, Although I Was Needed In Those Assignments, It Caused Me To Not Be Eligible For ANY Promotions Because I Wasn't Working In My Field And The CO's In Those Areas Weren't Qualified To Review Me From A Different AFSC (Army's MOS).... I Remained An E-3 For Over 3 Years With No Consideration For Promotions.... At The Completion Of My 4 Year Commitment, I Said To Myself: "FUK This, I'm OUTA Here"......
Retiring As An E-3 Isn't My Idea Of Having Being A Successful Enlistee....... DUH?

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2022 3:43 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 03:43:49 -0400

There is something to be said about not making life harder than it has to be. You are really overthinking this if you posted this question. 1) Go to sick call before the day of your jump- don’t wait until the last minute 2) tell the doctor or nurse your malady. 3) follow the doctor’s guidance.

Response by PO1 Steve` Martin made Mar 29 at 2022 1:26 PM

PO1 Steve` Martin — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:26:38 -0400

can't take leave from the brig, refuse ?

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Mar 30 at 2022 7:59 AM

1SG Ernest Stull — Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:59:54 -0400

If you have a profile good to go. You would be taken off Jump status until you got medically approved to jump. Refusing to jump is an automatic take your wings off and do the duffel bag drag to a leg unit. Remember you volunteered to jump out of perfectly good airplanes.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Apr 1 at 2022 4:36 AM

SPC Martin Meyer — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 04:36:06 -0400

I have a different take on this. You had to volunteer to become Airborne. If you no longer want to be a paratrooper then refuse to jump and take a transfer to a non-Airborne unit and become a Leg again.
My understanding is you can refuse to jump but then you will no longer be part of the greatest brotherhood on earth that of Airborne Troopers.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2022 8:24 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:24:06 -0400

It's been a few months. Is there an update? Did you get a new profile and further treatment? Terminate Jump Status?

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Apr 19 at 2022 9:06 PM

SSG Ken Potts — Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:06:06 -0400

Why don't you do your own research, instead of asking others? Your CO doesn't have to Google your medical profile, as it's just a recomendation.

Response by SPC David C. made Apr 24 at 2022 11:38 PM

SPC David C. — Sun, 24 Apr 2022 23:38:55 -0400

Dude, how long have you been in if you're asking this question? Yes. They can take your leave away and will do just that with a smile on their faces if they think you are challenging them. You either have medical documentation saying no jump, or you don't. If you don't, you have no leg to stand on (pardon the pun). If you do, then just know you're walking on egg shells because they'll still take your leave out of spite. If you're a good soldier, respectful, and have the documentation to back up your argument and you should be okay.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Apr 25 at 2022 7:43 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Mon, 25 Apr 2022 19:43:06 -0400

No they can't take it away. But there is a Proto Call that you can't carry over 60 days on the books unless certain circumstance apply and can carry up to 90 days. It is called Use or Lose.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2022 11:30 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:30:43 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member, has there been an update? Did you manage to get Christmas Leave and have you sought out higher medical treatment?

Response by PO2 Brandon Pennington made Apr 26 at 2022 12:46 PM

PO2 Brandon Pennington — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 12:46:01 -0400

Who said you get to take Christmas leave? There are many factors in granting requests for leave. Whether or not someone jumps is the least of them. I would consider you a disciplinary problem if you don't jump unless you have a medical exemption. We sure have a candy ass military now.

Response by Cpl John David Fenner made Apr 26 at 2022 3:54 PM

Cpl John David Fenner — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 15:54:01 -0400

Why are you still in that unit? If you are unfit you should be discharged.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2022 6:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:01:53 -0400

A lot of information not available on this situation. 1: is SM going through treatment and leave would postpone or interfere with treatment? 2: Is SM pending UCMJ or on Extra duty? Refusal to manifest is punishable under UCMJ for a variety of charges. Would recommend the following
1: go to your PA and ask if your injury is permanent or temporary. Then ask for a med board or to be taken off Jump status until healed (warrior transition unit maybe?)
2, go,through NCO support channel and chain of command and terminate your jump status and request transfer.
3: if your leave is denied by Commander/ request opens door with 1SG or CO and ask why.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Apr 27 at 2022 9:40 AM

Jerry Rivas — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:40:33 -0400

Its the ARMY for heavens sake. They can do whatever the hell they want. Shut up and follow orders.

Response by Maj Rob Drury made May 22 at 2022 4:18 PM

Maj Rob Drury — Sun, 22 May 2022 16:18:32 -0400

If you are injured in a manner that you feel makes you effectively unable to jump, you have a duty to seek military medical assitance. The doctor or appropriate health care professional will assess your condition and make appropriate recommendations to your commander, who will then determine your readiness to participate in operations. Once that determination is made, you should comply or face severe disciplinary action. Loss of leave is your concern; really???

Response by LCpl Ricky Malone III made May 27 at 2022 4:51 AM

LCpl Ricky Malone III — Fri, 27 May 2022 04:51:56 -0400

Oh yes, doesn't happen often on the grand scale, but there's a few reasons your CO can pull your leave and you may not have done anything wrong.
It's unfortunate, however; it happens all the time and if it's an injury that's going to prohibit you from doing your duty then you're going to stay on base until you're better, whether it's a medical discharge or just staying until you're cleared back for active status.

I can't really see a commander taking someone's leave away because they didn't go against their doctor's orders. I would very respectfully take it up the chain of command, obviously you don't want to just walk up directly to the commander's door and ask to talk to them. The head of your unit should be looking out for you and every other member and have your back when you're in the right!

I think the easiest way to look at it would be to think about boot camp and the people that were in RSP. Granted you don't have leave at that point and you're on student status, but it would basically be the same thing. They want to make sure that you don't injur yourself further one way or the other (or they should). If you've been to see a doc and they tell you that it's going to cause you harm, especially if it's going to be permanent, then those papers alone should be enough for you to be grounded! Doctor's orders are doctor's orders and I don't think I've ever seen anyone force someone to go against them.
That could be career ending depending on how badly someone is injured. There are very specific papers that say you are grounded vs. injured, I finished boot with a messed up knee and several broken ribs and they're paying now, but it didn't stop my training.

Response by SFC Jerry McLellen made May 28 at 2022 6:20 PM

SFC Jerry McLellen — Sat, 28 May 2022 18:20:51 -0400

I spent 11 1/2 years in Division and another 4 in 18th Abn Corp. I don't know what your MOS is, but let me put it this way, if you have a problem about jumping the old saying, "Shit or get off the pot" applies. Go to a leg unit. It sounds like you would be happier there.