Chris Kyle a coward?!!!

Sgt Packy Flickinger — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:11:54 -0500

if he is, then we all are. I'll be dammed if any of us are. The bandwagon of liberals calling Kyle a coward seems to be growing. Most of us may not be as heroic as him, but classifying him or any of us as cowards are fighting words!!

I just want to know what's wrong with these ungrateful idiots!!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 12:22 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:22:29 -0500

I have heard Chris Kyle called many names over the years. It's possible that he even deserved some of them, but to call a man that has displayed the level of courage that he has a coward seems obsurd.

It is obvious that the people calling him a coward either do not understand that he was not only a sniper, also very engaged in close-combat or they are simply trying to stir the nest in order to get attention for themselves or a cause.

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 12:47 AM

CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:47:48 -0500

It "buys" them media coverage. That's what drives them primarily. They know they'll get a response; and, to them, even a negative response feeds their need for attention.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 2:18 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:18:59 -0500

As I see it Snipers are the most patriotic of us all. And the Sniper Course is one of the most physically demanding course the military has to offer, especially if you factor in the necessary SERE school...

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 3:27 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 03:27:50 -0500

Having a sniper in over watch is the closest thing to guaranteeing a guardian angel is watching over you.

Look at the source of these statements. As my grandfather always told me, "Don't argue with idiots in public. Bystanders might not know the difference."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 3:56 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 03:56:57 -0500

Snipers are the most disciplined and the most qualified professionals. I know the trainign they go through and not many can make it and the ones that make it are exceptional. We all know that Kyle was on the ground with the troops so i don't know where this coward stuff is coming from.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 4:31 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 04:31:22 -0500

They were waiting for the right moment and it is a liberal thing. I challenge any of you to show me a race track where most fans are not big supporters of the military. Yet, who are these worthless idiots who find every opportunity to bash the country? They want us to be nice about the executive branch but finds problems with America at every turn.

Response by MSgt Michael Durkee made Jan 21 at 2015 7:21 AM

MSgt Michael Durkee — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 07:21:39 -0500

Consider the source, the Michael Moore's of the world don't "get it" - but we do, and we sacrifice many things for their right to have Anal Cranial Loopback.

Response by PV2 Christopher Ronk made Jan 23 at 2015 6:19 PM

PV2 Christopher Ronk — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:19:25 -0500

I agree chief kyle is no coward the man left his sniper nest to join the ground troops and help them during battle a coward would not have done that!!!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 9:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 21:05:42 -0500

ha...Libtards.....Wonder where they seRved their country? I bet not on a battlefield or even in a warzone behind a desk. SMH at anyone who listens to these people. Michael Moore is the best example of the worst part of America.

Response by SPC Charles Griffith made Feb 4 at 2015 6:57 PM

SPC Charles Griffith — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:57:26 -0500

Some people will just never understand :( it is what it is.

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Feb 5 at 2015 8:45 AM

MAJ Ron Peery — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:45:01 -0500

Consider the source. The Goblin King, Seth Rogaine, and Howard the Duck. What a stellar bunch of misfits.

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Feb 21 at 2015 5:55 AM

SSgt Thomas L. — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 05:55:08 -0500

When that jackwagon Michael Moore said that, he seriously put his foot in his mouth. I understand the sentiment of his father calling Nazi snipers cowards for killing his uncle, but anyone who has served on the front lines in any capacity can safely shed any accusations of being a coward, especially by those who have not served. The people who say such things do so out of ignorance. It's a non-issue.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Feb 21 at 2015 9:27 AM

SFC Francisco Roman — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:27:20 -0500

The problem in today society is selfishness and incompetent individual. For all I can say that the coward are those that want to be and have no honor in doing so.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 21 at 2015 9:45 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:45:10 -0500

He placed himself in the publics eye, and then later, others thrust him even farther into public view.

Once that is done, people as they apt to do will sound off with their opinions. Those susceptible to having their opinions formed by what someone they know thinks, voices... will join the bandwagon. AKA verbal diarrhea.

Thats all this is...verbal diarrhea.

If you could individually ask his detractors why they have the opinion they do, the majority would spout off with like material....because it's not an opinion they formed through personal experience, 1st person meetings or even research...Its just the words from someone else being repeated.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Feb 21 at 2015 10:25 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 10:25:11 -0500

In no way, shape or form is Chris Kyle or any serving member or veteran a coward, well the books is still out on Bergdahl....unfortunately a lot of people on the left view us as bloodthirsty, war mongers. They love to wrap themselves in their First Amendment rights, but turn around and spit on us that defend that very right as well as all the freedoms that they enjoy. Most of them can not separate their hatred for those on the right of the political spectrum from those of us that have/do put on the uniforms everyday to ensure that they enjoy their pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2015 11:01 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:01:23 -0500

1) Who are liberals?
2) What is this bandwagon of liberals you are talking about?
3) What percentage of the liberals does this bandwagon represent of all the liberals?

Shall we label all Christians as black people lynching racists now?

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Feb 21 at 2015 11:11 AM

SFC Collin McMillion — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:11:39 -0500

Chris Kyle was no coward, he had a mission and a goal and just because he did it better than everyone else people get jealous. Just because they can't be like him, they will put him down. Soldiers, who are TRUE soldiers, know he was one of a kind.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Feb 21 at 2015 11:34 AM

Capt Richard I P. — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:34:29 -0500

I'll reiterate what I said on a similar post:

The Sheepdog doesn't mind the bleating of sheep.

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/michael-moore-s-newest-jab-at-the-military

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2015 11:54 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:54:48 -0500

The public wants protection. They want to feel safe from those that wait outside their doors to do harm. They want protection, but they don't want to know how that protection is provided. They don't want to know the cost of that protection. They're not prepared for it. They'd rather live their lives oblivious. It's the same with "Support our Troops." The public support the troops, but they'd rather not have to think about them. It's easier to not care.

Think of it like going to a restaurant, and you see those obnoxious customers that want food but complain about quality or how it was provided.

People are always going to criticize the service you give them. They're the first to speak up and shout but are the last to do anything. When you shine the light on them for their time to act, the shouting stops and silence begins.

Response by MSG Scott Swank made Feb 21 at 2015 12:02 PM

MSG Scott Swank — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:02:40 -0500

Anyone who calls, Chris Kylse (or anyone who has served Honorably) a coward is clueless to what American Soldiers do! I'm proud of my service and my country! If Patriotism is wrong then I don't want to be right! What has become of our country when good/GREAT men are called cowards?

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made Feb 21 at 2015 12:41 PM

MSgt Michelle Mondia — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:41:06 -0500

It's just a talking point. When Ventura won that lawsuit it proved he lied. And if he'd lie about that...well? It's anyone's guess. It's just a movie that polarizes people. The book didn't seem to bother anyone. They didn't know his story until the movie. Now it's all "news" for some reason. It's just bandwagon jumpers trying to be relevant. Unlike Hurt Locker, Lone Survivor and even Zero Dark Thirty this movie portrays war as attractive. Because he's a sniper he's removed from the battles, the blood and guts so speak and the movie for reason makes him look comfortable; on the phone, sitting in living rooms...often appearing well hidden and never in an real danger (until the climatic end scene) The movie does this...it desensitizes the audience and circumvents their connection to the main character. Unfortunately, we never really get into Kyles emotions. Bad scripting if you ask me and I think Oliver Stone would have done a better job directing. As I said the book didn't bother anyone. It's propaganda and people jump on sides. I don't think the movie critics or Kyle critics have any ill sentiments toward us.

Response by PO2 Terri Myre made Feb 21 at 2015 2:17 PM

PO2 Terri Myre — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:17:45 -0500

Liberals aren't happy unless everything is about them and their agenda. They love to enjoy the freedoms and security provided to them but refuse to acknowledge how it's attained. To the majority we will always be baby killers and murderers. They seem to think that love is the answer to everything. There is no peace without war.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2015 6:24 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:24:18 -0500

SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas There is no liberal media. There is no conservative media. There is simply very large companies who have learned to sell a product. They sell commercials, not news.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Feb 21 at 2015 6:54 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:54:50 -0500

"Those who 'abjure' violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf." ~ George Orwell 1945

Those words are as true today.

We live in an over protected society, these are people who will because of their own lack of intestinal fortitude take their "loved and faithful pet" to the place the pet is most terrified of for its dying breath, rather than digging deep and putting it out of it's misery under it's favorite tree with tears streaming down their own face.

I can't be angry at them, I pity them because they have never truly had a chance to appreciate life... to truly appreciate life you have to have experienced the possibility of loosing it.

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Feb 21 at 2015 8:56 PM

SFC Michael Jackson, MBA — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 20:56:11 -0500

I'm a liberal, and labeling this American patriot a coward is NOT an official liberal position or one shared by all liberals. I realize the military is primarily Conservative, but I'm concerned that stupid or lamebrain idea is blamed on my political affiliation.
I firmly believe Chris Kyle is an American hero that saved countless American lives and performed exceptionally in extraordinary circumstances.
What's wrong with the idiots? In my opinion, a sniper is a combat multiplier. Unfortunately, the ones making these foolish statements don't what a combat multiplier is, haven't been to combat, and haven't faced the realities of war. Most of them haven't suited up as a troop, they're basing their opinion on Hollywood productions instead of real combat situations

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Feb 21 at 2015 9:06 PM

SFC Michael Jackson, MBA — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:06:06 -0500

PLEASE STOP BLAMING LIBERALS FOR EVERY STUPID IDEA OR STATEMENT THAT IS MADE!!! Democrats serve in the military and understanding significant contributions Chris Kyle has made to this nation just like Republicans

Response by Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay made Feb 22 at 2015 10:13 AM

Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:13:58 -0500

You can be a coward for living. You can be a coward for dying You can be a coward for killing or for not killing. It depends on how people see where you come from. I reserve judgement until I get to know more. After all who Am I to judge?

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Feb 22 at 2015 10:42 AM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:42:38 -0500

It has nothing to do with being liberal, there are many liberals that see Kyle for professional operator he was. I think he was a badass.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Feb 22 at 2015 10:50 AM

Capt Richard I P. — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:50:48 -0500

MSG Scott McBride, I agree that people can be too sensitive, but advocating for the death of your fellow citizens based on their opinions is not a sensitivity issue, it is a morally unjustifiable issue. Your refusal to back away from an implicitly threatening comment or dismiss it as an exaggeration on your point indicates a violation of RP guidelines, specifically 10-3d. Comments like this will be removed.

Response by SPC Sven Pacot made Feb 22 at 2015 1:37 PM

SPC Sven Pacot — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:37:24 -0500

Wait a minute. Bowe Bergdahl is a hero and Chris Kyle is a coward? Anyone else notice this backwards thought. I thought we were fighting Taliban and Al Queda not with them.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Feb 23 at 2015 12:58 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:58:15 -0500

I guess Michael Moore and crew do not mind being protected by cowards?

http://twitchy.com/2015/02/22/and-the-oscar-goes-to-lapd-snipers-who-will-keep-hollywoods-elite-safe-tonight/

And the Oscar goes to ... LAPD snipers who will keep Hollywood's elite safe tonight?

The real stars of the night will hopefully never be seen.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2015 1:31 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:31:45 -0500

Calling snipers cowards, who go out in 2 man teams or in the case of Seals sometimes alone, screams a lack of knowledge of what a sniper is and what they do. To say they are less than other soldiers speaks to the fear they inspire in the enemy as well as ignorance of their qualifications and job description.

Response by MSgt Rob Weston made Feb 23 at 2015 2:02 PM

MSgt Rob Weston — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:02:03 -0500

I think liberals can't or won't face realization that we active, guard, reserve, separated, and retired military see the world in its truthful horrific glory but they want to wallow in the freedom we unselflessly defend. They would rather try to treat an amputation with a bandaid over carterization that is more effective. Sorry but we know not everyone needs a hug and that some people need a punch in the throat.

Response by CPO Bernie Burawski made Feb 23 at 2015 10:13 PM

CPO Bernie Burawski — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:13:30 -0500

The short answer is no.

Response by SSgt Aaron Randall made Feb 23 at 2015 10:58 PM

SSgt Aaron Randall — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:58:28 -0500

He's not a coward, but he is a liar.

Response by SPC Mickey Bennett made Feb 24 at 2015 2:41 AM

SPC Mickey Bennett — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:41:01 -0500

The idea of Chris Kyle being a coward is about as credible as a pacifist having something intelligent on how we fight and win wars! Bottom line, it's something an ignorant and ungrateful civilian would say and we should treat it as the ramblings of a drunken fool! Nothing follows!

Response by SFC Jeff Stevenson made Feb 24 at 2015 4:52 AM

SFC Jeff Stevenson — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 04:52:10 -0500

Its difficult to respond to a media base that has no clue to what the military does. How do we as military members react to those who prove their ignorance day in and day out with what is produced in Hollywood? Imagine if you will, a combat movie, showing "Hollywood" version of room clearing, battle drills and how those of is in the military view them, with "OMG that is so wrong, where is the over watch, what is the last guy even doing"? I know even my family laughs as they have seen and heard us around the teams speaking on what was missed or what was just completely wrong. So, that being said, who cares what Hollywood thinks about us in the military? Their opinions are like water off the back of a duck. A Lion does not worry about the comments coming from Sheep. Rant complete.

Response by SSG Everett Wilson made Feb 24 at 2015 6:32 AM

SSG Everett Wilson — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 06:32:51 -0500

As Chris said, look at the number of lives I saved, not the lives I took. I know I'm here because of the snipers we had watching us at the main gate at Balad.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2015 1:03 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:03:33 -0500

I personally don't think anyone who has put their life on the line for this country should even be mentioned in the same sentence as the word coward. The cowards are those that choose to send us, but not support us. The cowards are those that call branch every 3 years to avoid deploying, a coward is not a man who deployed several times and completed his mission successfully.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2015 5:41 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:41:11 -0500

There's some shit in the water regarding Kyle, they can't understand a non political, realistic view of the war on the ground from our perspective. Some mouth breather columnist even said the movie "invented" AQ being in Iraq... I'm sure the Marines who took Fallujah, and the Brave Rifles who liberated Tal Afar would /love/ to hear they didn't have to liberate those cities from any one...

Response by Cpl Jim Morsovillo Sr. made Feb 24 at 2015 6:15 PM

Cpl Jim Morsovillo Sr. — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:15:23 -0500

Chris Kyle is a hero in my book. He did his job to the best of his ability and exceeded that. He saved many Marines lives in the performance of his duties. Even when he came home he was still willing to help veterans, matter of fact he gave his life doing just that.

Response by MSgt Stephan Hall made Feb 24 at 2015 6:47 PM

MSgt Stephan Hall — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:47:40 -0500

It's outright despicable to trash talk a person that has died. But here's the key, people that do this have no moral compass, their character is severely flawed and can't reconcile any degree of appreciation for the men and women of the military that has protected them and provided them with the very freedom they enjoy.

Response by SSG Joseph Dienstag made Feb 24 at 2015 7:39 PM

SSG Joseph Dienstag — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:39:13 -0500

My only thought on the matter is how big the room needs to be for all of the Hollywierd idiots that have some wall to wall counseling coming to them! Every time Michael Moore opens his mouth, I want to slap the fat off his neck! The bright side is when the SHTF people like him will go first and nobody will care.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Mar 4 at 2015 4:18 PM

Cpl Glynis Sakowicz — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:18:09 -0500

We stand at the door... we guard the gates. We stop the things they fear from getting to them, and as I learned a long time ago, anything given to another without cost, is often thought little of and casually tossed aside.

They ( those that we do what we do, for) have no concept of what its like outside this big protected homeland. They see the news, they are horrified by OUR brutality, by the way WE kill others to achieve safety and security for them, but there are always those that mutter, "We didn't ask them to do this... they are so much better trained, so much better equipped... its just so... so cowardly to kill when they have all this great gear to protect them!"

Not a one of them will ever know the cost of pulling the trigger on a sniper rifle. They will mutter in horror as they drink their Latte's and check out their newest tweets on the Kardashians, telling each other how we are nothing like them...

A month... six months... maybe a year or two from now, someone horrible will happen that will pull their heads upward and make them stop texting for a heartbeat or two, and then we'll suddenly be heros all over again. Its just an old, old song, that's been happening since one human picked up a rock and threw it at another one. They are half afraid of us, because we do what they won't, or can't do for themselves, and then when we do these things to keep this country safe, they love us... for all of ten minutes before there's a sale at the mall, or another 'REALITY' show comes on.

Its life... and apparently, its our reality as well. Chris Kyle was a stronger man than any I have met... t o hold it together doing a job like that for all of us... is simply amazing. If some fool calls him a coward, that is their problem, not his, because we know the true worth of that man.